Hoi, Ok.. so explain to me why the chapter is not able to provide funding for viable projects. Do remember that the qualifiers for funding are essentially the same; they have to pass the requirements of the WMF. When the chapter has its own independent funding, it can allocate as it sees fit.
I seriously do not understand what drives you. I only notice negative attitudes, I do not understand how you think a chapter should/could operate. The only thing I notice is how you blame others for the woes of the Indian chapter and as a consequence attack and thereby destroy opportunities that become lost for now for India, Thanks, GerardM On 8 September 2014 15:22, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > * Chapter, user groups and online wikimedia project communities need not > be mutually exclusive. > > * A user group need not be created just for the sake of it without clear > idea of the problem that it intends to solve and which cannot be solved by > other already available means. > > For example, forming a Tamil Wikimedia user group in SriLanka will make > sense as we have legal and financial restrictions of spending India > chapter's money in other countries. But, there is no need felt to start a > Tamil Wikimedia user group in Tamilnadu. > > Will a global Tamil user group like > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Esperanto_kaj_Libera_Scio help? > > May be. But, it isn't a pressing need. Whenever we come up with a project > or grant request, it is well supported already by WMF and Wikimedia India. > > Please also note that for a country like India, a registered and legal > entity like chapter is very essential. Because, without a letter pad and > official seal, we can't enter many places. And without such entities, we > can't conduct mega projects with big budgets (Individuals who receive money > on behalf of communities or user groups will face tax audit issues. And the > process needs to be repeatedly done every time by a new individual) > > * A user group will help when they operate across multiple projects and > regions. For example, GLAM volunteers and Mediawiki hackers. But, I see > this as a convenience as to organize the volunteers themselves formally > than as a requirement to operate outside other entities like chapter, > especially when they are willing to support them. > > * Please note that many of the current and waiting to be approved user > groups are just incubators for future chapters. We will be going backwards > if we dissolve the chapter and split into user groups. > > * Yes, Wikimedia India chapter could have fared better. But, I wouldn't > blame it or any single person or EC. Like any Wikimedia project, it can > only become better with more participation, collaboration and emergence of > natural leadership. For a complex country like India, it will take time. 7 > members of EC are not super humans and they are not supposed to do all the > work by themselves. Any such expectation set by themselves or from the > members should be reconsidered. In my personal experience interacting with > the chapter, they have always supported us in all ways possible. Only if > the chapter stands in the way of any aspiring member / community's plan, it > should be highlighted and discussed. > > * The chapter is already as democratic as it could be by design. In fact, > most of it's problems stem from that and not because of lack of democracy. > Other players in the movement like WMF or their working partners like CIS > don't have this issue while chapters have to face this issue. So, it is > unfair to judge chapter's performance without considering this crucial > aspect. > > * Whatever be the structural setup we might agree, it is not going to > solve all issues. We need to think with it and also outside the box. > > * I am surprised that no one highlighted the impact of non-community > organizations like CIS in the movement. > > Once, I asked an active Indian Wikimedian who initiated many chapter > events and then started collaborating with CIS, why he made this transition. > > His answer: > > "Chapter doesn't give us money. CIS gives money". > > And there you see, how in the name of language community strategy of WMF > through CIS has bifurcated the community. > > This, in my view, is a bigger issue that needs to be addressed. > > Ravi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindiaemail@example.com > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >
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