Hi Manoj Khurana,
Thank you for your great feedback on how a novice contributor sees the
Wikipedia environment in the Indian context.

However, despite the apparent learning troubles, I am sure that we will
strive and conquer...
:)

(On Sep 15th)

-Viswam



On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Manoj Khurana <he...@manojkhurana.com>
wrote:

> Hi. I'm more active on Hindi Wikipedia. My observation is that many people
> who come from english wiki to local wikis tend to enforce quality too much.
> Its like forcing diet of a body builder upon a kid. This takes toll on new
> contributors who do have good intentions and may be groomed. Keeping in
> view the life-cycle thing, we have to compromise a little on quality till a
> critical mass is reached and  enforce the quality slowly and steadily.
>
> I've been here for last one year and i think hindi wiki is showing a
> steady growing trend.
> As far as new tech like tablets, smartphones are concerned, i feel they
> are helpful as local language typing apps are more easy to operate on
> tablets etc than on a pc.
> Regards.
> Manoj.
> On Jul 30, 2014 5:49 PM, <wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org>
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>>    1. Declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias (Ravishankar)
>>    2. Re: Declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias (ansuman)
>>    3. Re: Declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias (Ravishankar)
>>    4. Re: Declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias (ansuman)
>>    5. Re: Declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:09:03 +0530
>> From: Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com>
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>> Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Declining contributions across Indian
>>         Wikipedias
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>> Hey,
>>
>> I have been noting declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias for
>> the
>> last few months.
>>
>>
>> http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/telugu-wikipedia-struggles-to-stay-afloat/article6255633.ece
>>
>> triggered to write this mail.
>>
>> This is my view on what's happening:
>>
>> 1. Most of the Indian Wikipedias have crossed 10 years. Many of the active
>> and first generation contributors are burnt out, taking a leave or have
>> left for good. If you are not creative, intentional and consistent in your
>> efforts to replenish and nurture the next generation, you will see a
>> declining trend.
>>
>> 2. Malayalam Wikipedia which once had 30 contributors who made 100+ edits
>> a
>> month registered only 10 such editors in May 2014. The last time they had
>> activity this low was during May 2011. At the same time, their Wiki Source
>> is registering a phenomenal growth. So, some resources could be split
>> between projects too. This is a good reason to not start too many
>> projects.
>> Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource should be good enough unless you have a
>> huge community.
>>
>> 3. Focus on offline projects like events, celebrations. While they are
>> good, over doing can stress few active contributors. In my experience,
>> every time after organizing some offline event, there is too much burn out
>> and people return after months.
>>
>> 4. Things that plague all global Wikipedias - archaic editor, social media
>> distractions, increasing use of tablets / smart phones.
>>
>> Future will be quite challenging :)
>>
>> Ravi
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>> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:09:22 +0530
>> From: ansuman <ansum...@gmail.com>
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>> A large amount goes to experiments...if one third of that amount used
>> appreciating editors, we would have been a much better scenario.
>>
>> On 29-Jul-2014 7:09 pm, "Ravishankar" <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey,
>> >
>> > I have been noting declining contributions across Indian Wikipedias for
>> the last few months.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/telugu-wikipedia-struggles-to-stay-afloat/article6255633.ece
>> >
>> > triggered to write this mail.
>> >
>> > This is my view on what's happening:
>> >
>> > 1. Most of the Indian Wikipedias have crossed 10 years. Many of the
>> active and first generation contributors are burnt out, taking a leave or
>> have left for good. If you are not creative, intentional and consistent in
>> your efforts to replenish and nurture the next generation, you will see a
>> declining trend.
>> >
>> > 2. Malayalam Wikipedia which once had 30 contributors who made 100+
>> edits
>> a month registered only 10 such editors in May 2014. The last time they
>> had
>> activity this low was during May 2011. At the same time, their Wiki Source
>> is registering a phenomenal growth. So, some resources could be split
>> between projects too. This is a good reason to not start too many
>> projects.
>> Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource should be good enough unless you have a
>> huge community.
>> >
>> > 3. Focus on offline projects like events, celebrations. While they are
>> good, over doing can stress few active contributors. In my experience,
>> every time after organizing some offline event, there is too much burn out
>> and people return after months.
>> >
>> > 4. Things that plague all global Wikipedias - archaic editor, social
>> media distractions, increasing use of tablets / smart phones.
>> >
>> > Future will be quite challenging :)
>>
>> I'm sure more experiments coming our way to make the future less
>> challenging.. ;)
>>
>> >
>> > Ravi
>> >
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>> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:00:26 +0530
>> From: Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com>
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>>         <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
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>> Ansuman,
>>
>> Money can't solve all problems and it can bring new problems too :)
>>
>> Irrespective of availablilty or lack of funds, communities can really
>> manage things themselves.
>>
>> If the communities don't plan and take initiatives, nothing can save the
>> projects.
>>
>> Ravi
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>> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:52:38 +0530
>> From: ansuman <ansum...@gmail.com>
>> To: Wikimedia India Community list
>>         <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
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>> Yes, rightly said..here money is not solving one but creating many...
>> And only the community can save itself...not paid organizations... :)
>> On 29-Jul-2014 10:00 pm, "Ravishankar" <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Ansuman,
>> >
>> > Money can't solve all problems and it can bring new problems too :)
>> >
>> > Irrespective of availablilty or lack of funds, communities can really
>> > manage things themselves.
>> >
>> > If the communities don't plan and take initiatives, nothing can save the
>> > projects.
>> >
>> > Ravi
>> >
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>> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:00:25 +0530
>> From: Moksh Juneja <mo...@wikimedia.in>
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>>         <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
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>> In my suggestion/ recommendation we need to create vertical projects
>> within
>> wiki-projects. It could be Indian space Environment, local destinations in
>> your city, etc. With this we should tap into colleges, schools and the
>> senior editors can look into inspiring the new and junior editors.
>>
>> I am saying this in my personal capacity as a contributor to Wikipedia.
>>
>> --
>> Moksh Juneja
>> Wikimedia India
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:52 PM, ansuman <ansum...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Yes, rightly said..here money is not solving one but creating many...
>> > And only the community can save itself...not paid organizations... :)
>> > On 29-Jul-2014 10:00 pm, "Ravishankar" <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ansuman,
>> >>
>> >> Money can't solve all problems and it can bring new problems too :)
>> >>
>> >> Irrespective of availablilty or lack of funds, communities can really
>> >> manage things themselves.
>> >>
>> >> If the communities don't plan and take initiatives, nothing can save
>> the
>> >> projects.
>> >>
>> >> Ravi
>> >>
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