Thanks for that suggestion, Srikanth! I agree, having these useful comments
on the discussion page of the request is very helpful for the rest of the



On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <> wrote:

> Hi all, I request all of you to take the discussion to the Grant talk page
> on Meta where it would be more visible and useful for others going thru the
> proposal.
> --
> Srikanth.
> On 22-Aug-2015 8:10 pm, "sankarshan" <> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Ashwin Baindur
>> <> wrote:
>> > Request the views of more editors on this proposal. Guys, Santanu took
>> > the trouble to give us a detailed proposal, at least lets do him the
>> > courtesy of giving our views, whatever these may be.
>> I went through the proposal in small chunks primarily to think through
>> this. I am not an editor and so the views may or, may not be relevant.
>> In no particular order, here are a few comments.
>> [+] The proposal states "The main purpose of Wikipedia Treks Kalindi
>> Khal is to increase the material related to Himalayan Range with a
>> free license in Wikimedia Commons and improve the quality and increase
>> the amount of articles about diversifying Garhwal Himalayan mountain
>> range and other respective variety in different languages in
>> Wikipedia. Also to raise awareness among various community chapters,
>> motivate them to contribute to the Wikimedia projects and organize
>> this kind of trekking expedition in future."
>> This is in fact 3 specific objectives - (a) collect material on the
>> region covered by this trek; (b) generate awareness within the
>> chapters; (c) establish the feasibility of a similar activity by
>> accruing more value than consumed
>> [+] The proposal states "Currently this project is focused on Global
>> south region which will Improve editor diversity by recruiting new
>> editors from this particular target group."
>> But doesn't specifically mention the target group or, the methodology
>> of recruiting new editors
>> [+] "Trekking or hiking is extremely well liked adventure sports
>> through the globe and it will be enormously easier to find like-minded
>> open source and free knowledge organizations and initiatives with whom
>> we can collaborator with"
>> A few examples of such organizations would have been a good thing to
>> have at this point. Primarily to estimate the willingness of the said
>> organizations to contribute to knowledge under a free (or, liberal)
>> license. Anecdotal experience indicates that organizations have their
>> own rationale and quirks when engaging in collaborative ventures and
>> prior handshakes are required to ensure specific outcomes
>> [+] "This Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal will be the first major public
>> activity of its kind and will be pivotal in the increased uptake of
>> Wikimedia projects by the populace of the extreme lands in India."
>> The simplest question for this line of reasoning is "How?". "Extreme
>> lands" would indicate a set of constraints that are unique and perhaps
>> primary among those being the awareness of the utility value of
>> Wikipedia itself. The proposal does not go on to elaborate how it is
>> planned to be addressed
>> [+] "This team of WTM comprises total nine members; among them three
>> wikipedians and a female wikipedian volunteer is involved. We expect
>> another three non wikipedian experienced trek member to be converted
>> into volunteers.
>> After the completion of trek, there will be three edit-a-thons, for
>> new editors, where they will be educated with proper guidance,
>> follow-up and mentorship."
>> It would be nice to have a draft idea of what can be documented. This
>> can be in the form of stub pages which can be filled out later during
>> the edit-a-thons or, an assessment of the gaps in the existing content
>> around the region to be covered by the trek thus creating a handy
>> guide to what needs to be added. This pre-expedition exercise could
>> also serve as a metric of success of such ventures
>> [+] "Wikimedia Commons has an insignificant representation of
>> mountains and peaks along with the species, flora and fauna in the
>> complete Himalayan range. The available images are of moderate to
>> acceptable quality. Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal aims to improve the
>> coverage of the Himalayan range by encouraging people (including
>> professional photographers) to take and donate quality images under
>> free licenses to the Wikimedia Commons database."
>> The proposal does not mention whether the current team does comprise
>> of individuals who are proficient in skills of photography and would
>> contribute (not 'donate') images of higher resolution and greater
>> variety to Commons
>> [+] "Increasing Wikimedia's participation in the remotest places (Mana
>> Village, the last village of India) is one of the salient points of
>> Wikipedia Treks Kalindi Khal. Garhwal Himalaya is crucial to this
>> objective, as a key hub for the whole range of Himalaya. Since the
>> Internet penetrations in these areas are low, the end results will be
>> less satisfactory. Henceforth, the initial impact will increase
>> awareness."
>> And again, "How?" The proposal misses an unique opportunity to provide
>> creative solutions while attempting to increase awareness of Wikipedia
>> (and related projects) in areas that are mostly off-the-internet.
>> Also, if the awareness campaign is successful, what are the planned
>> next steps which can be looked into?
>> [+] "Encourage Innovation"
>> This specific topic could do with a revisit. The current shape of the
>> content does not indicate any innovating practices or, approaches.
>> /s
>> --
>> sankarshan mukhopadhyay
>> <!/sankarshan>
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