Indeed. And specifically, "they did not pick me, therefore the criteria are not good" is a very immature statement to make. So far we have not seen anything to suggest there is a genuine problem with the criteria used.
A. Asaf Bartov (he/him/his) Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 2:48 AM Subhashish <psubhash...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not sure if this discussion should even happen in a public list like > this in the first place. The Jan. 20 version here [1] mentions the criteria > before the announcement went public. When it can be debated how the > criteria can be improved to be more inclusive (let's say, "someone who has > participated in any TTT in last three/four years will not be eligible to > apply", lack of transparency is not something it reflects). > > Selection of candidates is a complex process and it leaves many unhappy as > everyone looks at it from a different perspective. It actually looks like a > happy situation and not depressing, to see three names against Kannada in > this list [2] while there are only two participants from Marathi when the > event is happening in Maharashtra. :-) It's important to note that just > eligibility does not guarantee selection, especially when the number of > applicants is more. The content in the application submitted by the > applicant plays a huge role too. When a jury looks at the selection > criteria to select the candidates, they might not share a detailed reason > why they rejected a candidate. Out of many reasons, one can be the simple > fact that sharing the reasons of rejection might just offend the applicant > and the latter may feel discouraged to apply again. Not everyone would take > rejection the same way. > > I'd concur with Ravi about assuming good faith here too. Maybe the > discussion can be to improve TTT in other aspects and not necessarily > transparency in application selection. > > 1. > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=CIS-A2K/Events/Train_the_Trainer_Program/2020&oldid=19730890#Eligibility_criteria > 2. > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Events/Train_the_Trainer_Program/2020#Participants > > Subha > > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 12:37 AM Tito Dutta <trulyt...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for your messages, and thanks for assuming good faith. Yes, we >> tried ensuring region, gender, language, and other things. The candidates >> were selected after recommendations of jury members. 24 members were >> selected over-all. 1 person could not attend for some reason. So we have 23 >> participants. >> Today it was the second day of TTT, and it has been a busy day. Someone >> of us will get back to you in a few days. >> >> Thanks >> Tito Dutta >> Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to >> remind me over email or phone call. >> >> >> On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 20:22, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Please assume some good faith. >>> >>> Even if all 60 candidates who applied are eligible, they still need to >>> select 25 people. >>> >>> Even if only two people are selected from each community, it can easily >>> fill the 25 seats. >>> >>> The selection criteria listed by CIS-A2K is good. >>> >>> May be they can also display how they ensured diversity in terms of >>> gender, region, language, wiki project, and wiki age of the candidates. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:44 PM Vishwanatha Badikana < >>> badikan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Good luck. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 6:20 PM subodh kulkarni <subodhki...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Wikimedians, >>>>> >>>>> We are thankful for the response to TTT this year. We received total >>>>> 60 applications, out of which 25 participants were selected. >>>>> >>>>> Two jury members from the community and A2K team selected the >>>>> participants. The selection criterion were as follows - >>>>> >>>>> - Wikimedian from India >>>>> - Minimum 800 edits on zero-namespace before 31 December 2019. >>>>> - Should not be previous TTT participant >>>>> - Should be active recently, for last one year preferably (Aware >>>>> about present active community and happenings) >>>>> - Who has the interest to conduct offline/real-life Wiki events >>>>> and to train others. >>>>> - Should not be too experienced (already leading the community or >>>>> user groups or any affiliate) >>>>> - Should not be involved in any vandalism, abuse etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks & regards, >>>>> >>>>> A2K team >>>>> Centre for Internet & Society - Access to Knowledge Programme >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 10:07 AM <pavan...@vishvakannada.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think this email did not reach the India mailing list. Hence I am >>>>>> fwd-ing it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Pavanaja >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Vishwanatha Badikana <badikan...@gmail.com> >>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2020 3:26 PM >>>>>> *To:* kishoresheni69 <kishoreshen...@gmail.com>; Pavanaja U B < >>>>>> pavan...@gmail.com>; Bharathesha A B <bhar...@gmail.com>; Dr. >>>>>> Manavpreet Kaur <dr.manavpreetk...@gmail.com>; Kavitha Ganesh < >>>>>> gkav...@gmail.com>; Dhanalakshmi K. T. <lakshmik...@gmail.com>; >>>>>> Rohini Lakshané <rohini.laksh...@gmail.com>; Kannada Wikipedia >>>>>> Discussion List <wikik...@lists.wikimedia.org>; Wikimedia India >>>>>> Community list <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>; >>>>>> subodhki...@gmail.com; Vikas Hegde <vikashegd...@gmail.com>; vinoda >>>>>> jaya prasad <vinu.jayapra...@gmail.com> >>>>>> *Subject:* Fwd: Update about TTT selection >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What is going on the TTT Selection. I don't want future TTT >>>>>> selection. The Kannada Community members depressed. I think the >>>>>> selection >>>>>> committee have lot of politics. Who are the selection committee? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>> From: *subodh kulkarni* <subodhki...@gmail.com> >>>>>> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 22:14 >>>>>> Subject: Update about TTT selection >>>>>> To: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear applicant, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We are thankful for showing interest to participate in TTT 2020. We >>>>>> are sorry to inform you that your application was not selected in the >>>>>> process. >>>>>> >>>>>> We value your contribution to the Wikimedia movement and looking >>>>>> forward to work with you in future. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Subodh Kulkarni >>>>>> >>>>>> on behalf of >>>>>> >>>>>> Centre for Internet & Society - Access to Knowledge Programme >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> *Dr. Vishwanatha Badikana* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Assistent Professor, Department of Kannada* >>>>>> >>>>>> *St. Aloysius College(Autonomous), Light House Hill, Mangalore - 575 >>>>>> 003* >>>>>> *9449615474, 9141676453*, 8618361841 >>>>>> >>>>>> *badikan...@gmail.com <badikan...@gmail.com>* >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >
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