I know this will probably make things worse, but if all our (read:relevant for UK monuments) images had a geolocation, we could just see on a map what we have, and thus what we lack.
Now all we need is an easy way to add locations to files... Magnus On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Roger Bamkin <[email protected]> wrote: > UK Wikimedians are not entirely indifferent to proper subcategorisation of > photos (outdoor or in) on a vaguely monumental theme - lol > > Well that was a useful push at the linits of what is possible as I knew you > thought that the rules were flexible. I'm feeling on this thread that we > need to know why we are gathering more pics when we have so many. > > One appeal in WLM was to see the blip of new users on commons that WLM > delivered. I only offer the categorisation project because that is where we > have a large backlog. I know the category model is tricky but surely its a > problem we cannot allow newbies to ignore? Otherwise our categorisation > problems gets worse. > > We are saying that we should ask people to take pictures of things that we > don't have pictures of ..... but we have no idea which things we don't have > pictures of. > > What would you say were the main benefits of WLM. to the UK given that we do > have thousands and thousands of photos that are uncategorised? > > On 30 January 2012 14:59, Lodewijk <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> I feel sorry for you that you have the feeling that you went out for >> nothing. However, you did surely add to the wealth - having multiple photos >> of something is also worth something. >> >> A categorization project sounds great, but should probably not be called >> 'wiki loves monuments' to avoid confusion. It is also much less useful to >> new users, the main target group of Wiki Loves Monuments. We shouldn't >> bother them with Commons' horrible categorization structure - they should >> just identify what is on their photo, and we can (automagically) take it >> from there thanks to the (to be built) database. >> >> If you want to motivate people from our communities to categorize >> pictures, that would be a nice project in its own right. Perhaps it would be >> nice to do *before* wiki loves monuments - so that both get maximum effect? >> >> Lodewijk >> >> No dia 30 de Janeiro de 2012 15:29, Roger Bamkin <[email protected]> >> escreveu: >>> >>> Anecdotal story: My wife decided to take me outside for a trip and asked >>> where I wanted to go. I'd recently seen a tool by Magnus Mankse called Shoot >>> me which lists out all the wiki articles geo tagged near you that lacked >>> pics. So I quickly went >>> >>> http://toolserver.org/~magnus/wikishootme/index.html >>> >>> and that listed out half a dozen useful places near me that lacked pics. >>> We went out .... took the pics and when I went to load them I found out that >>> all these pictures already existed ..... they were uncategorised, but there. >>> I think I loaded some *new* pix but I'm not sure I added much to "the >>> wealth". >>> >>> So if our objective is to "supply everything to everyone" (paraphrase our >>> vision), then first we need a copy of everything. It could be that we >>> already have a copy of nearly everything if we could just sort out what we >>> had and what we lacked. However the chances of running a successful UK >>> categorisation project is low..... or is it? >>> >>> Do you know I just typed the last sentence and realised that that is >>> what we want. We want a categorisation project. What we know will appeal is >>> a successful photography project. Hmmm >>> >>> UK WIKI LOVES MONUMENTS - wacky proposal >>> >>> Prize goes to the best five media files in a complete >>> Wiki-Commons-Category >>> >>> Entrants will ensure that they use a valid commons category for a >>> village, road, type of monuments etc. They will populate that category with >>> as many photos and videos and sounds as possible. They are invited to add >>> their own pictures, viideo and sounds but also to collect as many freely >>> sourced files they can find from other sources too. >>> >>> Judges will look at wikimedia commons pages, wikipedia, wikisource etc >>> pages that use or could use these resources. They will choose the winning >>> category and the five media files that best illustrate its reason for >>> winning. This is a "beauty" competition that is is not just based on the >>> quality of the media but also the quantity, meta data and completeness of >>> the chosen category. >>> >>> So thats an idea for what might work Please feel free to ignore, delete >>> or modify >>> >>> >>> On 30 January 2012 11:46, Gordon Joly <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I may have missed the point.. but.... doesn't this article need >>>> expanding urgently? I feel these types of articles should be expanded >>>> routinely (Grade I listed buildings). >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmondsworth_Barn >>>> >>>> In the news currently because English Heritage have just bought it. >>>> >>>> Perhaps it should look more like this... >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Mill >>>> >>>> And, yes, I will edit the article - REAL SOON NOW. >>>> >>>> Gordo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Gordon Joly >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.joly.org.uk/ >>>> Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Roger Bamkin >>> Chair WMUK >>> 01332 702993 >>> 0758 2020815 >>> Google+:Victuallers >>> Skype:Victuallers1 >>> Flickr:Victuallers2 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> > > > > -- > Roger Bamkin > Chair WMUK > 01332 702993 > 0758 2020815 > Google+:Victuallers > Skype:Victuallers1 > Flickr:Victuallers2 > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [email protected] http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
