On Sep 29, 2012 9:58 PM, "James Farrar" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Then the statement should have been more honest...
This is politics. It's how the game is played. You avoid a mutually harmful fight by allowing the weaker party to save face by pretending it was their decision. On Sep 29, 2012 9:58 PM, "James Farrar" <[email protected]> wrote: > Then the statement should have been more honest... > On Sep 29, 2012 9:41 PM, "Thomas Dalton" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I think it is fairly obvious that this was a WMF decision. >> On Sep 29, 2012 9:33 PM, "James Farrar" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Whoever decided that UK donations to the fundraiser wouldn't be Gift Aid >>> eligible. According to the statement, that's both WMF and WMUK. >>> On Sep 29, 2012 8:59 PM, "WereSpielChequers" < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> James, if you are accusing a charity of throwing away money could you >>>> be specific as to which charity you are accusing of throwing away money? >>>> >>>> I'm not aware of any of WMUK's financial decisions being disputed. >>>> >>>> By contrast the WMF by processing the payments for this years >>>> fundraiser will lose the movement as a whole hundreds of thousands of >>>> pounds. This is partly because they are not a UK registered charity and >>>> WMUK is, so Gift Aid of probably more than £100,000 won't be achieved, but >>>> I suspect that even more will be lost because as a US organisation they >>>> can't collect by direct debits. Over the next few decades that will lose >>>> the movement several times as much as the foregone Gift Aid money. >>>> >>>> However the WMF doesn't have a formal membership structure, or at least >>>> not one I'm aware of. So were you suggesting that WMUK has been throwing >>>> away money? >>>> >>>> WSC >>>> >>>> On 29 September 2012 13:20, James Farrar <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Indeed, and for now I remain a member. >>>>> >>>>> This is subject to finding out precisely why the charity is >>>>> voluntarily throwing away money. >>>>> On Sep 28, 2012 11:11 PM, "Deryck Chan" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There is, an will always be, the option to donate to WMUK rather than >>>>>> WMF even if WMUK isn't the default payment processor anymore. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I can certainly see is a fragmented 2012 fundraiser, with >>>>>> certain donors staying with WMUK and others switching to WMF because >>>>>> that's >>>>>> where the default landing page now points them to. Lots of returning >>>>>> donors >>>>>> will be very very confused either because they can't gift-aid their >>>>>> donations, or because two "Wikipedia organisations" are asking for their >>>>>> money at the same time. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 28 September 2012 22:50, James Farrar <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, there goes my donation. >>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2012 9:16 PM, "David Gerard" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 28 September 2012 21:14, Chris Keating < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > I'd like to draw to your attention this joint statement with the >>>>>>>> Foundation >>>>>>>> > which I have just, with the authority of the Board, posted on our >>>>>>>> blog >>>>>>>> > regarding the management of conflicts of interests and this year's >>>>>>>> > fundraiser. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/09/joint-statement-from-wikimedia-foundation-and-wikimedia-uk/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Right, so money->SF and so much for Gift Aid? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - d. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >
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