Hi Lourie and Maarten WikiAfrica is very keen to support a Wiki Loves Monuments in South Africa, and indeed across Africa - we have been looking a this very subject (great minds obviously think alike!). Perhaps we could all meet to try to co-ordinate a campaign and draw attention to Wikipedia in the process??
When is good for any of you - perhaps when Maarten is back after the 6th? Warmest Isla : : Isla Haddow-Flood Marketing and Communications Manager Project Manager : WikiAfrica a. 5th Floor, 28 St George¹s Mall, Cape Town w. www.africacentre.net t. +27 21 418 3336 f. +27 21 418 5385 skype. islahaddow The Africa Centre is a non-profit social innovator that provides a platform for exploring contemporary Pan-African cultural practice as a catalyst for social change. > From: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: <[email protected]> > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:04:18 +0000 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 19, Issue 14 > > Send WikimediaZA mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of WikimediaZA digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Pictures from Saturday's Xhosa Wiki Workshop (Heather Ford) > 2. Fw: Pictures from Saturday's Xhosa Wiki Workshop > (Lourie Pieterse) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:21:15 -0800 > From: Heather Ford <[email protected]> > To: Kerryn McKay <[email protected]> > Cc: WikimediaZA <[email protected]>, MADe > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Pictures from Saturday's Xhosa Wiki > Workshop > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > +1 yay! fab idea :) > > On Feb 16, 2012, at 3:59 AM, Kerryn McKay wrote: > >> Hi Lourie >> >> Yep, I'm with you. I think this is a great project, and - as you mentioned >> to me offline - really accessible for people to take part in and contribute. >> Some cool ideas also around it - we could organise an upload party where we >> could have a stall somewhere (at a university or shopping centre on a certain >> day) where we could help people upload their pics there and then. >> >> I'm also happy to chat - maybe we could get together on skype even? >> >> Kerryn >> >> >> >> >> >> * * * * >> Kerryn McKay >> The African Commons Project >> >> 082 334 6165 >> skype: kerrynmac >> twitter: kerrynmckay >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Lourie Pieterse <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Hello Maarten >> >> It is nice hearing from you again! It sounds to me like a wonderful idea, and >> I am sure that there will be some South Africans who would like to >> participate in this competition. What do the others from Wikimedia ZA think? >> I would definitely be interested to meet up with you and discuss the >> possibilities. When are you again in the Cape Town area? >> >> Kind regards >> Lourie >> >> From: MADe <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Pictures from Saturday's Xhosa Wiki Workshop >> >> Hi all, >> >> Very nice to see all the activities on the smaller South African language >> wikis! Hopefully this means a start for those projects. I have another idea >> to get some more things happening. >> >> In Belgium I started the "Wiki Loves Monuments" competition. The goal for the >> participants was to take a picture of a heritage site and to post them on >> Wikicommons. The best images were selected and they could win a variety of >> prices (Belgium: iPad). It was part of a bigger European contest (18 >> countries). The goal was to attract new contributors to the wiki projects, >> and for Belgium to gather some wikipedians to start our own Belgian wiki >> chapter. >> >> The competition itself was fairly simple to organise. The European organisers >> provided tools, a website, logos, a dedicated Wiki Commons upload tool, ... >> and also funding (10,000 ZAR). We made the translations (Belgium alone: five >> languages), we searched for our own jury, we searched for Belgian prices, and >> we got into contact with government organisations that helped us with a venue >> for the price ceremony and some more practical things. >> >> The result was fantastic. 170.000 new images in Europe, of which 6000 in >> Belgium. Lots or media attention for the competition. At least 50 (!) new >> Belgian members that started working on Wikicommons or Wikipedia itself. A >> solid group of people that wanted to work on our own chapter. We established >> good contacts with government organisations that suddenly understood >> Wikipedia is not a black box but made by real people. Nice media coverage on >> the competition. >> >> The European competition will be organised in September of this year. They >> would really enjoy SA to join in, and I'm sure WMF can help us with most of >> the funding. I think this is an easy way to get the attention of new people, >> especially from poorer regions (if we provide the necessary translations). >> >> Who is interested to get more information, or to help with the organisation? >> We can meet in Cape Town, Durban or Johannesburg (I'm almost everywhere for >> my current job<338.gif>) >> >> >> Grtz, >> Maarten >> >> BE: +32 475 21 38 35 >> ZA: +27 71 491 31 38 >> Skype: mdeneckere >> >> 2012/2/14 Douglas Scott <[email protected]> >> Hi, >> >> Ian is absolutely right. Although the workshops them selves tend to create a >> number of articles creating a community of dedicated editors for Xhosa >> language Wikipedia will be a very big challenge that I think will take a long >> time. On the up side people are very eager and interested but on the down >> side, as Ian has mentioned, there are still problems with basic computer >> literacy and access to computers/internet. I suspect that it will take a >> number of workshops followed by some sort of program such as one (and this is >> only an idea right now) whereby teachers use Xhosa Wikipedia to test their >> students translating abilities thereby creating a self perpetuating process >> that continually exposes new people to editing that wiki. >> >> As I mentioned to Ian on Saturday I think that a big part of creating a >> healthy community of editors on Wikipedia is finding enough people with the >> right type of personality that is at home using a computer. I think that is >> as much a numbers game as anything else which means spending a long time >> exposing as many people as possible to the idea and process of editing >> Wikipedia. A process that is made harder by relatively low rates of computer >> literacy. But then again we must start from some where I suppose. Either >> way, more work and support is needed and so long as I have free time and am >> in Cape Town I am happy help. >> >> P.S. Thanks for checking the stats Ian. To be frank I am delighted that one >> extra substantial edit was made since the workshop on Saturday. That in its >> self is a 0.7% increase! :-D >> >> >> On 14 February 2012 00:02, Heather Ford <[email protected]> wrote: >> Thank you so much, Ian. Appreciate it. >> >> On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Ian Gilfillan wrote: >> >>>> Great :) I'd be really interested to know whether people continued to edit >>>> after the workshop if you could share. >>> To try answer Heather, the article count went from 125, which it has been >>> stuck at since at least November 2011, to 131 during the class, and there >>> has only been one substantial edit from any of the participants on the >>> weekend (a new article, increasing the count to 132) since the workshop, so >>> the answer seems to be no. >>> >>> The workshop was 2 hours, and, briefly, we hoped to teach creating a user >>> account, creating or editing (via translation from English) an article, >>> adding links, adding a picture, and I wanted to add interwiki links to the >>> list as well. Everyone created or edited an article, and most, if not >>> everyone, added links, though only some could create a user account due to >>> IP limits, and very few got to adding an image or interwiki links. Douglas >>> goes into more details in his post. >>> >>> It's more complicated to add links in Xhosa than in English due to the way >>> prefixes are used in the language, so quite often an article may exist, but >>> the link doesn't point to it, and there are already duplicate articles for >>> this reason. >>> >>> There is still such a barrier with basic computer use, that I found a >>> substantial portion of the class was showing people how to maximize and >>> minimize windows, how to open a new tab or window, etc, and I got the sense >>> that there wasn't always a real understanding of why the various steps were >>> being performed, which reduces the chances of them being repeatable outside >>> of the class. >>> >>> The one article that was created afterwards is an orphan, with no incoming >>> or outgoing links. >>> >>> There was a lot of enthusiasm, so hopefully having a followup quite soon >>> will keep the interest and momentum going, but I would expect there to be >>> not much sustained activity as a result of the workshop alone. >>> >>> -- >>> Ian Gilfillan >>> www.greenman.co.za >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WikimediaZA mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >> >> Heather Ford >> www.ethnographymatters.net >> @hfordsa on Twitter >> http://hblog.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikimediaZA mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Douglas Ian Scott >> ??? >> Skype: douglas0scott >> UK mobile number: +44 (0)755 452 5277 >> Chinese mobile number: +86 1 364 330 7351 >> South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikimediaZA mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikimediaZA mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikimediaZA mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikimediaZA mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > Heather Ford > www.ethnographymatters.net > @hfordsa on Twitter > http://hblog.org > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaza/attachments/20120216/8cf00d5 > f/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:06:31 +0000 (GMT) > From: Lourie Pieterse <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Cc: WikimediaZA <[email protected]> > Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Fw: Pictures from Saturday's Xhosa Wiki > Workshop > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Maarten > > Did you get this email? It would suite me best if we can decide on a time and > place today, because I need to plan for the weekend. Thanks. > > Lourie > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- >> From: Lourie Pieterse <[email protected]> >> To: MADe <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Pictures from Saturday's Xhosa Wiki Workshop >> >> >> Happy to hear that!?Saturday?morning should be fine; where and when would >> suite you best? >> >> >> Lourie >> >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: MADe <[email protected]> >>> To: Lourie Pieterse <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:47 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Pictures from Saturday's Xhosa Wiki Workshop >>> >>> >>> Hello Lourie, >>> >>> I didn't forget you: I tried to use the sudden interest in the WM SA to find >>> some more interested people. >>> >>> I'm arrived yesterday in Cape Town. We could meet on Saturday morning? On >>> Saturday afternoon I leave CT again, to come back only on the 5th of March. >>> We could meet in March, too. >>> >>> My cellphone: 071 41 31 38 >>> >>> Grtz, >>> Maarten >>> >>> >>> 2012/2/16 Lourie Pieterse <[email protected]> >>> >>> Hello Maarten >>>> >>>> >>>> It is nice hearing from you again! It sounds to me like a wonderful idea, >>>> and I am sure that there will be some South Africans who would like to >>>> participate in this competition. What do the others from Wikimedia ZA >>>> think? I would?definitely?be interested to meet up with you and discuss the >>>> possibilities. When are you again in the Cape Town area? >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> Lourie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: MADe <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:23 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Pictures from Saturday's Xhosa Wiki Workshop >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Very nice to see all the activities on the smaller South African language >>>>> wikis! Hopefully this means a start for those projects. I have another >>>>> idea to get some more things happening. >>>>> >>>>> In Belgium I started the "Wiki Loves Monuments" competition. The goal for >>>>> the participants was to take a picture of a heritage site and to post them >>>>> on Wikicommons. The best images were selected and they could win a variety >>>>> of prices (Belgium: iPad). It was part of a bigger European contest (18 >>>>> countries). The goal was to attract new contributors to the wiki projects, >>>>> and for Belgium to gather some wikipedians to start our own Belgian wiki >>>>> chapter. >>>>> >>>>> The competition itself was fairly simple to organise. The European >>>>> organisers provided tools, a website, logos, a dedicated Wiki Commons >>>>> upload tool,? ... and also funding (10,000 ZAR). We made the translations >>>>> (Belgium alone: five languages), we searched for our own jury, we searched >>>>> for Belgian prices, and we got into contact with government organisations >>>>> that helped us with a venue for the price ceremony and some more practical >>>>> things. >>>>> >>>>> The result was fantastic. 170.000 new images in Europe, of which 6000 in >>>>> Belgium. Lots or media attention for the competition. At least 50 (!) new >>>>> Belgian members that started working on Wikicommons or Wikipedia itself. A >>>>> solid group of people that wanted to work on our own chapter. We >>>>> established good contacts with government organisations that suddenly >>>>> understood Wikipedia is not a black box but made by real people. Nice >>>>> media coverage on the competition. >>>>> >>>>> The European competition will be organised in September of this year. They >>>>> would really enjoy SA to join in, and I'm sure WMF can help us with most >>>>> of the funding. I think this is an easy way to get the attention of new >>>>> people, especially from poorer regions (if we provide the necessary >>>>> translations). >>>>> >>>>> Who is interested to get more information, or to help with the >>>>> organisation? We can meet in Cape Town, Durban or Johannesburg (I'm almost >>>>> everywhere for my current job) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Grtz, >>>>> Maarten >>>>> >>>>> BE: +32 475 21 38 35 >>>>> ZA: +27 71 491 31 38 >>>>> Skype: mdeneckere >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2012/2/14 Douglas Scott <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian is?absolutely?right. Although the workshops them selves tend to >>>>>> create a number of articles creating a?community?of dedicated editors for >>>>>> Xhosa?language?Wikipedia will be a very big?challenge?that I think will >>>>>> take a long time. ?On the up side people are very eager and interested >>>>>> but on the down side, as Ian has mentioned, there are still problems with >>>>>> basic computer?literacy and access to computers/internet. ?I suspect that >>>>>> it will take a number of workshops followed by some sort of program such >>>>>> as one (and this is only an idea right now) whereby teachers use Xhosa >>>>>> Wikipedia to test their students translating abilities thereby creating a >>>>>> self perpetuating process that?continually?exposes new people to editing >>>>>> that wiki. ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As I mentioned to Ian on Saturday I think that a big part of creating a >>>>>> healthy community of editors on Wikipedia is finding enough people with >>>>>> the right type of personality that is at home using a computer. ?I think >>>>>> that is as much a numbers game as anything else which means spending a >>>>>> long time exposing as many people as possible to the idea and process of >>>>>> editing Wikipedia. A process that is made harder by?relatively?low rates >>>>>> of computer literacy. ?But then again we must start from some where I >>>>>> suppose. ?Either way, more work and support is needed and so long as I >>>>>> have free time and am in Cape Town I am happy help. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. Thanks for checking the stats Ian. ?To be frank I am delighted that >>>>>> one extra?substantial?edit was made since the workshop on Saturday. ?That >>>>>> in its self is a 0.7% increase! :-D >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 14 February 2012 00:02, Heather Ford <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you so much, Ian. Appreciate it.? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Ian Gilfillan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great :) I'd be really interested to know whether people continued to >>>>>>> edit after the workshop if you could share. >>>>>>>>> To try answer Heather, the article count went from 125, which it has >>>>>>>>> been stuck at since at least November 2011, to 131 during the class, >>>>>>>>> and there has only been one substantial edit from any of the >>>>>>>>> participants on the weekend (a new article, increasing the count to >>>>>>>>> 132) since the workshop, so the answer seems to be no. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The workshop was 2 hours, and, briefly, we hoped to teach creating a >>>>>>>> user account, creating or editing (via translation from English) an >>>>>>>> article, adding links, adding a picture, and I wanted to add interwiki >>>>>>>> links to the list as well. Everyone created or edited an article, and >>>>>>>> most, if not everyone, added links, though only some could create a >>>>>>>> user account due to IP limits, and very few got to adding an image or >>>>>>>> interwiki links. Douglas goes into more details in his post. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's more complicated to add links in Xhosa than in English due to the >>>>>>>> way prefixes are used in the language, so quite often an article may >>>>>>>> exist, but the link doesn't point to it, and there are already >>>>>>>> duplicate articles for this reason. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is still such a barrier with basic computer use, that I found a >>>>>>>> substantial portion of the class was showing people how to maximize and >>>>>>>> minimize windows, how to open a new tab or window, etc, and I got the >>>>>>>> sense that there wasn't always a real understanding of why the various >>>>>>>> steps were being performed, which reduces the chances of them being >>>>>>>> repeatable outside of the class. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The one article that was created afterwards is an orphan, with no >>>>>>>> incoming or outgoing links. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There was a lot of enthusiasm, so hopefully having a followup quite >>>>>>>> soon will keep the interest and momentum going, but I would expect >>>>>>>> there to be not much sustained activity as a result of the workshop >>>>>>>> alone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Ian Gilfillan >>>>>>>> www.greenman.co.za >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> WikimediaZA mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Heather Ford? >>>>>>> www.ethnographymatters.net? >>>>>>> @hfordsa on Twitter >>>>>>> http://hblog.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> WikimediaZA mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Douglas Ian Scott >>>>>> ??? >>>>>> Skype:? douglas0scott >>>>>> UK mobile number: +44 (0)755 452 5277 >>>>>> Chinese mobile number: +86? 1 364 330 7351 >>>>>> South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> WikimediaZA mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WikimediaZA mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WikimediaZA mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaza/attachments/20120217/4d8d7cb > 0/attachment.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 330.gif > Type: image/gif > Size: 96 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaza/attachments/20120217/4d8d7cb > 0/attachment.gif> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 338.gif > Type: image/gif > Size: 541 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaza/attachments/20120217/4d8d7cb > 0/attachment-0001.gif> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > WikimediaZA mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > End of WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 19, Issue 14 > ******************************************* _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
