+1 to what the others have said. Without Lourie, we'd be far further back than we are today, and he certainly wouldn't have been playing games. Let's all assume good faith and work towards becoming an effective team.
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Isla Haddow-Flood <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all > > Here is my response to Dumi's email: > > I too want to agree with Dumi's response. In the 6 months that I have been > working closely with Lourie, Dumi and others at WMZA I have only come across > impeccable manners, passion, commitment and timeous communication from > Lourie, despite a very demanding university schedule. I see absolutely no > reason to call Lourie's 'governance and or operations' ability into question > based on what looks like a technology-inspired misunderstanding. > > +++ > > I really hope we can move on passed this now and concentrate on getting the > work, and this exciting competition done. We need people to get involved and > help, not hinder. So please if you are part of this list, and want to get > involved please contact Lourie, Dumi, David or I. > > Thanks! > Isla > > : : > Isla Haddow-Flood > Marketing and Communications Manager > Project Manager : WikiAfrica > > > a. 5th Floor, 28 St George¹s Mall, Cape Town w. www.africacentre.net > t. +27 87 150 5446 f. +27 21 418 5385 skype. islahaddow > > The Africa Centre is a non-profit social innovator that provides a platform > for > exploring contemporary Pan-African cultural practice as a catalyst for > social change. > > >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:04:03 +0200 >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 24, Issue 30 >> >> Hi Everyone. >> >> I am greatly pertubed at Charlene's reponse to the grant report. I >> have seen this posted on the grant report page itself. I have since >> moved it to the report's sub page with my response as follows: >> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_ZA/Gauteng_meeting/Report/SMS >> >> My Response: >> >> I was at this meeting on the said date, and I do not see any sinister >> behavior by either Lourie or myself. We weere at the engineering >> building through a special pass into their cumputer lab as I was a >> student there some years ago. We worked on the Wiki Loves Monuments >> project (The budget) till 17h45 and still waited for you some more >> minutes. I dont think that you have posted correct times for these >> messages. >> >> On issues of governance and operations... I am glad that you have >> aired your opinions of Lourie. But I want to state categorically that >> I have different opinion of Lourie with regards to the above >> accusation. He has been open and consistent and has dedicated >> countless hours including his own money in organising this >> competition. His dedication and commitment to the "Wiki Loves >> monuments" competition and WMZA chapter has been truly examplary >> despite his extreemly demanding student commitments and one of the >> reasons I chose to get involved in both activities. In the two months >> of my involvement, I have not received any measurable input from >> yourself towards Wiki Loves monuments or Wikimedia ZA. If there is >> anyone's "governance and or operations" abilitities that are in >> serious doubt, in my humble view... they are yours. --Thuvack (talk) >> 16:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC) >> >> On 7/29/12, [email protected] >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Send WikimediaZA mailing list submissions to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> [email protected] >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of WikimediaZA digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Gauteng meeting report (general list) (Lourie Pieterse) >>> 2. remove me (Ashraf Patel) >>> 3. Re: remove me (Lourie Pieterse) >>> 4. Re: Gauteng meeting report (general list) (Charlene Foster) >>> 5. Re: Gauteng meeting report (general list) (Douglas Scott) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:21:46 +0100 (BST) >>> From: Lourie Pieterse <[email protected]> >>> To: WikimediaZA <[email protected]>, Charlene Foster >>> <[email protected]> >>> Cc: WikimediaZA Board <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Gauteng meeting report (general list) >>> Message-ID: >>> <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Hello everyone >>> >>> I managed to complete the report for the Gauteng >>> meeting:?http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_ZA/Gauteng_meeting/Report. >>> >>> The actual receipts of the expenses was only send to the board list, as it >>> contains personal information about myself. In the report you can see the >>> details regarding the specific expenses and also the?remaining?balance for >>> this grant. We asked the WMF whether we can?transfer?this amount for use in >>> Wiki Loves Monuments. As soon as my questions are?answered?by Charlene >>> regarding the bank account I will transfer the remaining balance, because >>> currently it seems to me that we?might?have problems accessing the money >>> should it be?transferred?to this account. Feel free to ask me if there are >>> any questions regarding this report. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> Lourie >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaza/attachments/20120729/e35115 >>> 58/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:41:33 +0200 >>> From: Ashraf Patel <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] remove me >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAK8my-WsbBCe-EtjcyLstX-d5PA=zjdxegre3nwc+k+bgnx...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Please remove me from this list. >>> >>> thank you, >>> >>> Ashraf >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaza/attachments/20120729/d26c3e >>> 2d/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:54:12 +0100 (BST) >>> From: Lourie Pieterse <[email protected]> >>> To: Ashraf Patel <[email protected]> >>> Cc: WikimediaZA <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] remove me >>> Message-ID: >>> <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Done >>> >>> >>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Ashraf Patel <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 4:41 PM >>>> Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] remove me >>>> >>>> >>>> Please remove me from this list. >>>> ? >>>> thank you, >>>> ? >>>> Ashraf >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WikimediaZA mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaza/attachments/20120729/58063e >>> 9c/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:54:31 +0200 >>> From: Charlene Foster <[email protected]> >>> To: Lourie Pieterse <[email protected]> >>> Cc: WikimediaZA <[email protected]>, WikimediaZA Board >>> <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Gauteng meeting report (general list) >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAHavA-uiQTxgPoNuvJPCJO-mYZu+jYWzQgNVJ+ti=mi1nth...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> Herewith please find the text exchange between myself and Lourie where he >>> is insistant that I could not make the meeting due to my busy schedule. Our >>> telephone conversation of Thursday evening refers; That regardless of how >>> my day is scheduled we needed to meet due to the various developments that >>> have transpired, including WLM that was up for discussion. >>> >>> Text messages refer: >>> Charlene; - On July 20th/13h57 - Hi Lourie tried calling to see where you >>> are at Wits? My 3pm was moved earlier and not sure until what time you'll >>> be there cos I have a 5.30 meeting at Wits >>> . >>> Lourie: July 20th / 14h19 - We got held up and just arrived at Wits. We >>> will be here for some time, so then we can meet at 17h30. We areat the >>> general engineering building. >>> >>> Charlene: July 20th/ 14h35 - My meeting is at 5.30 so will come through to >>> meet at 4.30. Where the heck is the engineering building >>> >>> Lourie: July 20th / 14h54 - That time is good. We are in the Chamber of >>> mines Building next to the Flower Hall on the corner of Enoch Santonga and >>> the M1. >>> >>> Charlene; July 20th / 16 25 - Am two traffic lights away from the Barnato >>> entrance of Wits and its peak time so expect me a few minutes after 4.30 >>> thanks >>> >>> Charlene; July 20th / 16h40 - So where in this small building are you >>> exactly please? >>> >>> Lourie; July 20th / 17h06 - We are currently driving to get lunch. >>> >>> Charlene; July 20th / 17h07 - Suppose we'll meet another time >>> >>> Lourie; July 20th /17h08 - Okay, we thought that you couldn't make it. Will >>> stay in touch vi email. >>> >>> Charlene; July 20th / 17h16 - Great game you guys are playing hope you >>> having fun laughing your heads off with the disrespect and everything else >>> you scheming. >>> >>> At no point is there any communication by myself to state that my schedule >>> has changed. At no point is there any text or call from you stating that >>> you have changed the schedule. >>> >>> So unfortunately there have been a few of these assumptions made and I >>> cannot feel safe with you dealing in an appropriate manner with issues of >>> governance and or operations given the above account. >>> >>> Am catching up on emails and will respond to most if not all during the >>> course of this evening. >>> >>> Have a great week everyone >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Charlene >>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Lourie Pieterse >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone >>>> >>>> I managed to complete the report for the Gauteng meeting: >>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_ZA/Gauteng_meeting/Report. >>>> >>>> The actual receipts of the expenses was only send to the board list, as >>>> it >>>> contains personal information about myself. In the report you can see the >>>> details regarding the specific expenses and also the remaining balance >>>> for >>>> this grant. We asked the WMF whether we can transfer this amount for use >>>> in >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments. As soon as my questions are answered by Charlene >>>> regarding the bank account I will transfer the remaining balance, because >>>> currently it seems to me that we might have problems accessing the money >>>> should it be transferred to this account. Feel free to ask me if there >>>> are >>>> any questions regarding this report. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> Lourie >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Charlene Foster >>> +27 82 850 5740 >>> >>> *"At the feast of Ego everyone leaves hungry" * >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaza/attachments/20120729/ba3e5d >>> b8/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:49:01 +0200 >>> From: Douglas Scott <[email protected]> >>> To: Lourie Pieterse <[email protected]> >>> Cc: WikimediaZA <[email protected]>, WikimediaZA Board >>> <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Gauteng meeting report (general list) >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAJ6y08H4fGX97z3=7xpqanxb_oose23twm-bvhyvojojlnv...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Hi Lourie, >>> >>> The report looks good, just one question, how many airline tickets were >>> bought in the end? Just one or two? Could the number(s) be reflected in >>> the expenses table? >>> >>> Good going on the meeting everyone and sorry I was not able to make it. >>> And thank you Lourie, Isla, Dumi and everyone else for all the hard work >>> you are putting into this. >>> >>> P.S. >>> >>> On a general side note for everyone on our mailing list, and I would like >>> to get everyone's input on this and I don't mean to targe anyone in this, >>> but I am not so sure that the public mailing list for Wikimedia ZA is the >>> best place to be airing misunderstandings between members. Perhaps a more >>> direct exchange between the concernd parties to sort these sorts of things >>> out might be more efficient and a public airing be more of a last ditch >>> attempt? After all a dispute on a public mailing list can become >>> distracting from our core goals for everyone else on the list. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Douglas. >>> >>> On 29 July 2012 15:21, Lourie Pieterse <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone >>>> >>>> I managed to complete the report for the Gauteng meeting: >>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_ZA/Gauteng_meeting/Report. >>>> >>>> The actual receipts of the expenses was only send to the board list, as >>>> it >>>> contains personal information about myself. In the report you can see the >>>> details regarding the specific expenses and also the remaining balance >>>> for >>>> this grant. We asked the WMF whether we can transfer this amount for use >>>> in >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments. As soon as my questions are answered by Charlene >>>> regarding the bank account I will transfer the remaining balance, because >>>> currently it seems to me that we might have problems accessing the money >>>> should it be transferred to this account. Feel free to ask me if there >>>> are >>>> any questions regarding this report. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> Lourie >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WikimediaZA mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Douglas Ian Scott >>> ??? >>> Skype: douglas0scott >>> UK mobile number: +44 (0)755 452 5277 >>> Chinese mobile number: +86 1 364 330 7351 >>> South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 872 >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaza/attachments/20120729/d35931 >>> 88/attachment.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WikimediaZA mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza >>> >>> >>> End of WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 24, Issue 30 >>> ******************************************* >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikimediaZA mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > _______________________________________________ > WikimediaZA mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza -- David Richfield [[:en:User:Slashme]] +27718539985 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
