Interesting, thanks for sharing! On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 4:35 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA survey results > (David Richfield) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:34:05 +0200 > From: Ian Gilfillan <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA > survey results > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Thanks for putting this together Douglas. > > An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in > languages besides English. Something like: > > - Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here) > - If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which? > - If no (the question above), why not? > > And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It > would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a > language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what > percentage of non-first language speakers, etc. > > ian > > On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote: > > Hi Frank, > > > > That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small > difference > > if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would have > > made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the > > results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of South > > Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and > > converse in. > > > > The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia all > > the other African language Wikipedias (isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on) have > > go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead. I > > hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to have > > vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is another > > indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who speak > > those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia. > But > > that is just a theory. > > > > Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next > > survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget for > > the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should not > in > > any way be an excuse not to translate). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Douglas. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:41:58 +0200 > From: Mapaseka Vryman <[email protected]> > To: Ian Gilfillan <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA > survey results > Message-ID: > < > caop5ok6dbzvu3hoxmvsqnjn-pfdttje_dwtnkeed7j1rrwy...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thanks Ian, > Was not aware Wikipedia is available local African languages. Would love to > get involved in those. > > On Sunday, June 28, 2015, Ian Gilfillan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Thanks for putting this together Douglas. > > > > An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in > > languages besides English. Something like: > > > > - Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here) > > - If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which? > > - If no (the question above), why not? > > > > And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It > > would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a > > language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what > > percentage of non-first language speakers, etc. > > > > ian > > > > On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote: > > > >> Hi Frank, > >> > >> That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small > >> difference > >> if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would have > >> made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the > >> results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of South > >> Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and > >> converse in. > >> > >> The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia > all > >> the other African language Wikipedias (isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on) > have > >> go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead. I > >> hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to > have > >> vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is another > >> indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who speak > >> those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia. > >> But > >> that is just a theory. > >> > >> Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next > >> survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget for > >> the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should not > in > >> any way be an excuse not to translate). > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Douglas. > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WikimediaZA mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > > -- > Regards, > Mapaseka > Sent from my iPad > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:46:52 +0200 > From: Ian Gilfillan <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] June 2015 African language Wikipedia update > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi > > Here's another update on the state of the African language Wikipedias. > http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=1772 > > ian > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:47:34 +0200 > From: Douglas Scott <[email protected]> > To: Ian Gilfillan <[email protected]> > Cc: wikimediaza <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA > survey results > Message-ID: > < > caj6y08fffnh4esxnm4nkbnzs1ozbt2ea+s+ch05w60366_g...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi Ian, > > That is a very good suggestion and a couple of very good questions for the > next survey. I would also be interested to see the results of that. > > Thanks, > > Douglas. > > On 28 June 2015 at 15:34, Ian Gilfillan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Thanks for putting this together Douglas. > > > > An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in > > languages besides English. Something like: > > > > - Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here) > > - If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which? > > - If no (the question above), why not? > > > > And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It > > would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a > > language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what > > percentage of non-first language speakers, etc. > > > > ian > > > > On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote: > > > >> Hi Frank, > >> > >> That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small > >> difference > >> if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would have > >> made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the > >> results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of South > >> Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and > >> converse in. > >> > >> The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia > all > >> the other African language Wikipedias (isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on) > have > >> go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead. I > >> hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to > have > >> vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is another > >> indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who speak > >> those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia. > >> But > >> that is just a theory. > >> > >> Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next > >> survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget for > >> the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should not > in > >> any way be an excuse not to translate). > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Douglas. > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WikimediaZA mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > > > -- > Douglas Ian Scott > 司道格 > Skype: douglas0scott > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 15:57:44 +0200 > From: bobby shabangu <[email protected]> > To: Douglas Scott <[email protected]> > Cc: wikimediaza <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA > survey results > Message-ID: > < > cafc6omf5g03zbrtwebtceqvqngugfqdjqc698wkakj2nfoz...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I'm here to help you Mapaseka. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Douglas Scott <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Ian, > > > > That is a very good suggestion and a couple of very good questions for > the > > next survey. I would also be interested to see the results of that. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Douglas. > > > > On 28 June 2015 at 15:34, Ian Gilfillan <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Thanks for putting this together Douglas. > > > > > > An idea for the next survey are some questions on editing Wikipedias in > > > languages besides English. Something like: > > > > > > - Are you aware that Wikipedia exists in (list languages here) > > > - If yes, have you ever edited one of them? Which? > > > - If no (the question above), why not? > > > > > > And then linking these results with the respondent's first language. It > > > would be interesting to see what percentage of respondents that speak a > > > language as a first-language edit that wikipedia vs English, what > > > percentage of non-first language speakers, etc. > > > > > > ian > > > > > > On 27/06/2015 15:07, Douglas Scott wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Frank, > > >> > > >> That is a good question and I suspect it might have made a small > > >> difference > > >> if the survey was done in other languages however I doubt it would > have > > >> made much of a difference to people answering the question or even the > > >> results. Largely because English is the default lingua franca of > South > > >> Africa which a great many people in South Africa can understand and > > >> converse in. > > >> > > >> The other reason I doubt it is because apart from Afrikaans Wikipedia > > all > > >> the other African language Wikipedias (isiXhosa, isiZulu, and so on) > > have > > >> go so few articles and editors on them that they are basically dead. > I > > >> hope that this will change in the future as it would be fantastic to > > have > > >> vibrant Wikipedia's in all of South Africa's languages. This is > another > > >> indicator that there just arent likely to be very many people who > speak > > >> those languages at a first language level out there editing Wikipedia. > > >> But > > >> that is just a theory. > > >> > > >> Ultimately the only way to truly know for sure would be to do the next > > >> survey in as many different languages as possible and need to budget > for > > >> the extra cost and time of organising its translation (which should > not > > in > > >> any way be an excuse not to translate). > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> Douglas. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > WikimediaZA mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Douglas Ian Scott > > 司道格 > > Skype: douglas0scott > > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > > _______________________________________________ > > WikimediaZA mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 07:02:41 -0700 > From: Asaf Bartov <[email protected]> > To: Ian Gilfillan <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] June 2015 African language Wikipedia > update > Message-ID: > < > caamrcwc0v4+6kvfvfrby1f6snndetfbuwzu88kwugt9-8bu...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thank you for putting this together, Ian. > > A. > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Ian Gilfillan <[email protected] > > > wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Here's another update on the state of the African language Wikipedias. > > http://www.greenman.co.za/blog/?p=1772 > > > > ian > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WikimediaZA mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > > > -- > Asaf Bartov > Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the > sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > https://donate.wikimedia.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:35:43 +0200 > From: David Richfield <[email protected]> > To: Douglas Scott <[email protected]> > Cc: Wikimedia South Africa Mailing List > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA > survey results > Message-ID: > < > cae_d4n4qo1exsf9gqa5a3iujhddpaff8ytlh2sxsngj0hrp...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Good questions and comments from the other participants. > > All I would like to add is that I found the infographic clear and readable, > with good style. > > I would have preferred the "human" character to have curves instead of > sharp corners, and by the minor nature of that quibble you can gauge my > level of satisfaction! > On 28 Jun 2015 01:16, "Douglas Scott" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Thanks for the feedback. Jacques I have included your suggestions into > the > > latest version which you can find at the link I previously sent out (see > > link provided again below). William I have increased the size of the > map, > > has that made it any easier to read that section? Also in answer to your > > question about updates, I have been told that the survey ended around > last > > week so it should not need updating, however if it is still going on > then I > > will update it as soon as I am back from Mexico which should be around > the > > end of July. > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015.png > > > > I have also just added the age of our 'average' (admittedly a term I am > > using very broadly here) South African Wikipedian. > > > > Cheers and thanks for the feedback, > > > > Douglas. > > > > On 27 June 2015 at 22:38, Jacques Avril du Toit <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Dear Douglas > > > > > > > > > Congratulations on a job well-done! I have browsed through your > findings > > > and I don’t have much to add. Here are a few suggestions, but these are > > not > > > compulsory to integrate though: > > > > > > · Instead of survey, indicate it was an *online *survey. This > will > > > indicate that you have taken into account the online research ethics > > > involved in approaching and dealing with your respondents. > > > > > > · “The majority of editors are based in only two provinces.” > > > > > > I agree with your response relating to the ‘first language’ issue. I > > think > > > this question is a problem in many “[research] contexts” of South > Africa. > > > I mean: Should participants indicate their ‘home language’ (spoken at > > > home), of their school attended, or the languages used in the workplace > > > (‘language of wider communication’)? To be fair, think if 40% of your > > > population indicated that they speak English as a L1, just integrate it > > as > > > that. > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, good job! All the best! > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > JdT > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 PM, William Stucke <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Thank you for doing this, Douglas. Very impressive. I presume that you > > >> will update the results with the figures obtained at the end of the > > month? > > >> > > >> I didn't spot any obvious typos, but the image with the numbers on > the > > >> map isn't all that easy to read. Other than that, I think that it's > > great. > > >> > > >> Kind regards, > > >> > > >> William Stucke > > >> 079-501-0850 > > >> [email protected] > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [email protected] [mailto: > > >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Douglas Scott > > >> Sent: 27 June 2015 08:46 AM > > >> To: wikimediaza > > >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Draft infographic of the Wikimedia ZA > survey > > >> results > > >> > > >> Hi Everyone, > > >> > > >> I am getting some feedback that my last email come through with > nothing > > >> attached. I think the file was large enought (3MB) that the mailing > > list > > >> dropped it. So I have uploaded it to commons and you can see it there > > at > > >> the link here: > > >> > > >> > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Infographic-WMZA_survey_results_2015.png > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> Douglas. > > >> > > >> On 26 June 2015 at 00:59, Douglas Scott <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hello everyone, > > >> > > > >> > As many of you know Wikimedia SOuth Africa has been conducting a > > >> > survey over the past few months of South African based editors. So > if > > >> > you were on Wikipedia recently and saw a banner asking you to > > >> > participate in a survey, this is it. I have spent much of the day > > >> > today going over some of the results of the survey and have > summarised > > >> > some of the more interesting results into a draft infographic (it is > > >> > still very rough). I am planning to display it at this year's > > >> > Wikimania which will be happening in less than > > >> > 3 weeks time. > > >> > > > >> > Please let me know what you think of it and please let me know if > you > > >> > spot any errors. I am pretty terrable at copy editing, especially > > >> > spelling. It is meant to be printed out on an A0 sized poster -so > > >> > please excuse its rather large size- as well as what ever I can fit > on > > >> a smaller flyer. > > >> > > > >> > Cheers, > > >> > > > >> > Douglas > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Douglas Ian Scott > > >> > 司道格 > > >> > Skype: douglas0scott > > >> > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Douglas Ian Scott > > >> 司道格 > > >> Skype: douglas0scott > > >> South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> WikimediaZA mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> WikimediaZA mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Douglas Ian Scott > > 司道格 > > Skype: douglas0scott > > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > > _______________________________________________ > > WikimediaZA mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > WikimediaZA mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > End of WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5 > ****************************************** > -- *Dr Grant McNulty* *Cell: *076 419 8587 *Twitter:* mcn_consulting <http://twitter.com/mcn_consulting> *Web: *www.mcnulty.co.za *Newsletter:* Sign up <http://mcnulty.us5.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=349a40cfd543b5d5b31fe693c&id=b1aec9a3d7> * <http://www.mcnulty.co.za/>* _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza
