Well done Douglas, sorry I couldn't make it to support you. On Friday, August 4, 2017, <[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Processing of the Copyright and Performers' > ProtectionAmendment Bills (David Richfield) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 11:10:08 +0200 > From: Douglas Scott <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > To: wikimediaza <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Processing of the Copyright and > Performers' ProtectionAmendment Bills > Message-ID: > < > caj6y08ewc2mvxvgqdzzhl7wtyb8lxrqmrp7_0xrwarms0wk...@mail.gmail.com > <javascript:;>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hello everyone, > > Here is an update on how my presentation to Parliament yesterday went. > Here is a link > <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Freedom_of_ > Panorama_-_presenation_to_SA_parilament.pdf> > to the presentation I gave which I have uploaded onto Commons. > > Overall it went well, there seems to be board support for the proposal to > include a freedom of panorama (FoP) clause into the new act. After my > presentation several MPs in addition to the commission chairperson going as > far as stating that the current grey area that a lack of freedom of > panorama puts both us as Wikipedia editors as well as members of the > general public in is very concerning and should be addressed. The > practical example I used of our experience in running Wiki Loves Monuments > where we could upload media of old colonial era monuments but not recent > ones due to this legal ambiguity really resonated with them. The mention > of the Swedish chapter's recent experience > <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/07/25/wikimedia-sweden-freedom-panorama/> > in testing this grey area in Sweden and loosing thereby being ordered to > pay court costs and a fine helped to highlight the need to get rid of this > legal grey area and enact some form of Freedom of Panorama. > > I did get one questions asking which we preferred; FoP for exterior public > place or interior public spaces. I said the best outcome would be FoP for > both exterior and inertia public spaces. > > I even had members of the pro-copyright lobby come up to me afterwards and > say they appreciated the need for clarification here. They did mention > pre-existing interpretations of the act that would allow us to do X, Y, and > Z but they realised the need for clarity and that the existing clauses were > not good enough for us given the Wikipedia editing community's policy of > using the strictest possible interpretation of the law. > > During the presentation I was seated next to and had to answer questions > with the representative from Google. Google, like many people, were > presenting on the need for fair use to replace fair dealing in the Act. > Basically fair use says you are not violating copyright so long as you do > not do X, whilst fair dealing says you are not violating copyright so long > as you fall into A, B, C allowances. This fair use/fair dealing issue has > become a big issue of contention and Google was given a bit of a hard > time. However the fair use/fair dealing disagreement does not seem to > affect our call for FoP as it is a different thing. > > My observation on the issue within the Wikimedia Community internationally > and based on my experiences as an editor on Wikipedia is that there is a > board consensus that expanded Fair Use rights is important and desirable so > as to allow editors to more freely edit, quote, and research articles on > Wikipedia whilst still firmly respecting copyrights. Indeed the Australian > Wikimedia community is publicly calling > <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/05/22/australia-fair-use/> for better > fair > use previsions in that country right now. However we as a chapter have not > voted on to take a position publicly on this issue in South Africa so > anything I say on that issue is always prefixed with the point that it is > my personal opinion and not the position of Wikimedia ZA. So I chose to > focus on answering questions related to FoP whilst volunteering to clarify > a personal observation I made on the Fair Use/Fair Dealing debate at a > public forum I attended last week. > > Cheers, > > Douglas. > > > > > On 1 August 2017 at 15:38, Douglas Scott <[email protected] > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > Hello everyone, a quick update on my presentation calling for Freedom of > > Panorama to be included into the new Copyright Act. It looks like I will > > be presenting 1 hour earlier on the 3rd August than initially planned. > > According to the new schedule I will now be presenting at 9:55 am instead > > of 10:55 am in the original schedule. The event at Parliament in Cape > Town > > is open to the public so if you are interested you are welcome to attend. > > > > The hearing will take place at: Room E249, 2nd Floor, National Assembly > > Wing, Parliament Building, Cape Town > > > > The whole hearing will last from 08:30 to 19:00 on Thursday the 3rd > August > > 2017. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Douglas. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Andre Hermans <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > > Date: 1 August 2017 at 15:11 > > Subject: Re: Processing of the Copyright and Performers' > > ProtectionAmendment Bills > > To: > > > > > > Dear Stakeholder > > > > Attached please find the amended programmes for 3 and 4 August 2017. > > > > *Please note the following:* > > > > 1. Change in starting time on 3 August 2017 which will impact on the > > starting times of all stakeholders on the day. > > 2. The inclusion of stakeholders which were not previously on the > > programme. > > 2. The South African Book Development Council presentation has been > > rescheduled for Friday, 4 August 2017 which will impact on the starting > > time for stakeholders that will follow their presentation. > > > > *NB: If stakeholders, after submitting their power-point presentation, > > wish to effect any changes to their presentation, they must please > forward > > the amended presentation as soon as possible. If it is not possible they > > must bring 40 copies of their amended presentation to the meeting.* > > > > *Regards* > > > > > > André R Hermans > > Committee Secretary: PC Trade and Industry > > Tel: (021) 403 3776 <021%20403%203776> > > Fax: 0866527753 <086%20652%207753> > > Cell: 0837098482 <083%20709%208482> > > email:[email protected] <javascript:;> > > > > >>> Andre Hermans 7/28/2017 12:02 PM >>> > > Dear Stakeholder > > > > Attached please find the draft agenda's for 1, 3 and 4 August 2017. > > > > Please note that it was not possible to accommodate all requests to make > > an oral submission but note that all written submissions will be > considered > > by the Committee. > > > > Please note that all power-point presentations must reach us by 14:00 on > > Monday, 31 July 2017. Stakeholders who have not yet submitted the names > of > > their delegations, as well as the cell number of a contact person, are > > encouraged to do so as soon as possible. > > > > As mentioned earlier, all meetings in Parliament are open to the public > > and only stakeholders presenting are required to confirm attendance. All > > others are welcome to attend without confirmation. > > > > Regards, > > > > Andre > > >>> Andre Hermans 7/27/2017 2:12 PM >>> > > Dear Stakeholders > > > > Thank you for the confirmation of attendance. > > > > However, we are still awaiting confirmation of attendance from some > > stakeholders. If we do not received notification of attendance of those > who > > have not yet confirmed by *15:00, Thursday, 27 July 2017*, we will assume > > that they are not in a position to attend. *They will be removed from the > > programme*. > > > > We have also noted requests for change in date as well as for inclusion > > on the programme. All these requests will be taken into consideration. > > > > We also acknowledged receipt of late submissions due to unforeseen > > circumstances. > > > > Please note that we will forward the final programmes for the public > > hearings by *12:00 on Friday, 28 July 2017.* > > > > Regards, > > > > André > > >>> Andre Hermans 7/25/2017 12:13 PM >>> > > Dear Stakeholder > > > > Please note the following corrections; > > > > 1. Confirmation of attendance is 12:00 pm on 26 July 2017 and not 26 June > > 2017. > > 2. Submission of power-point presentation's is Monday, 31 July 2017 and > > not 30 July 2017. > > > > My apologies for the inconvenience caused. > > > > Regards, > > > > André > > >>> Andre Hermans 7/25/2017 10:13 AM >>> > > Dear Stakeholder > > > > We acknowledge receipt of your submission. > > > > Attached please find the draft programme for public hearings scheduled > for > > 1, 3 and 4 August 2017 on the Copyright A/B only . > > > > Stakeholders are requested to note the following: > > > > 1. Confirm attendance by 13:00 on Wednesday, 26 June 2017. > > 2. Prepare a +/- 20 min power-point presentation in support of their > > submission which will be followed by a 20 min engagement. > > 3. Submit their power-point presentations by 12:00 pm on Monday, 30 June > > 2017. > > 4. Submit the names of the their delegation, which should include > > designations, as well as the cell number of a contact person. > > 5. Preferably be in attendance from the start of proceedings, but if it > is > > not possible, participants should be present at least an hour before > their > > presentation to allow for any changes. > > 6. Stakeholders should bring a copy of their ID, driver license or > > passport to gain entry to Parliament, which is via the visitor's entrance > > located in Plein Street. > > 7. No parking is available in Parliament. > > 8. All hearings are open to the public and there is no limit on numbers, > > but note that there are seating limitations > > 9. If there are any changes to your power-point presentation, and it does > > not reach us the day before your presentation, you are required to bring > 40 > > copies of your amended document to the hearing. > > 10. All submissions and not only the oral submissions are considered by > > the Committee and take into account during its deliberations on the Bill. > > > > Please do not hesitate to contact me via email or sms if you have any > > queries. > > > > > > *NB: It would be appreciated if you can forward this email to other > > stakeholders.* > > > > *Please confirm receipt.* > > > > *Regards,* > > > > *André* > > *0837098482 <083%20709%208482>* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Andre Hermans 6/28/2017 9:49 AM >>> > > Dear Stakeholder > > > > Please note the following: > > > > In light of a recent Committee decision to first process the Copyright > > Amendment Bill before starting the Performers' Protection Amendment Bill, > > please note the following: > > > > 1. Public hearings in August 2017 will only be on the Copyright Amendment > > Bill. > > > > 2. An extension for submissions has been granted. All submissions should > > reach us by Friday, 7 July 2017. Please indicate whether you would wish > > to be considered to make an oral submission. > > > > 3. Public hearings have been scheduled for 1, 3 and 4 August 2017. > > Although we will try to accommodate your preferred date as far as > possible, > > this cannot be guaranteed due to demand and time constraints. The final > > decision for granting oral submissions lies with the Committee. All > written > > submissions are considered by the Committee in its deliberations. > > > > 4. Communication regarding the final programme for public hearings will > be > > communicated in the week of 24 July 2017. > > > > Please do not hesitate to contact me via email if you require further > > clarity. > > > > *NB: It would be appreciated if you can forward this email to other > > stakeholders*. > > > > Regards, > > > > André R Hermans > > Committee Secretary: PC Trade and Industry > > Tel: (021) 403 3776 <021%20403%203776> > > Fax: 0866527753 <086%20652%207753> > > Cell: 0837098482 <083%20709%208482> > > email:[email protected] <javascript:;> > > > > >>> Andre Hermans 6/2/2017 4:48 PM >>> > > Dear Stakeholder > > > > In light of the Committee decision taken on Tuesday, 30 May 2017 please > > note the following; > > > > 1. No public hearings on 27, 28 and 29 June 2017. > > 2. Closing date for submission is Friday, 30 June 2017. > > 3. Public hearings will be scheduled in August 2017. > > 4. Final dates for public hearings will be communicated by 30 June 2017. > > > > *Clarity with regard to public participation at briefings.* > > > > All meetings are open to the public but please note that during a > briefing > > the interaction is between the Department and Members. The purpose of > the > > briefing is to afford Members with the opportunity to engage the > Department > > on the content of the Bill. Members of the public in attendance can first > > hand hear the Department's views on the Bill and, if they have opposing > > views on what the Department is saying, can include their concerns in > their > > submissions. It also provide an opportunity for stakeholders to get > clarity > > on issues of concern during such briefings. > > > > Public participation in the legislative process is critical to ensure an > > open and robust process and Parliament has taken the necessary steps to > > ensure this. Because of the great public interest in the Bills the > > Committee has called for submissions and will scheduled public hearings > > affording stakeholders with the opportunity to express their opinion on > the > > Bill. > > > > Attached is the revised advert. > > > > Please do not hesitate to contact me via email if you require > > further clarity. > > > > *NB: It would be appreciated if you can forward this email to other > > stakeholders*. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > André R Hermans > > Committee Secretary: PC Trade and Industry > > Tel: (021) 403 3776 <021%20403%203776> > > Fax: 0866527753 <086%20652%207753> > > Cell: 0837098482 <083%20709%208482> > > email:[email protected] <javascript:;> > > > > >>> Andre Hermans 5/26/2017 1:50 PM >>> > > Dear Stakeholder > > > > > > Attached please find the following information with respect to the > > processing of the Copyright and the Performers' Protection Bills. > > > > 1. An advert calling for submissions on the Copyright Bill. > > 2. A copy of the Bill. > > > > Please note the following: > > > > 1. The hearings scheduled for 27, 28 and 29 June would be on both the > > Performers' Protection and the Copyright Amendment Bills. > > 2. All meetings in Parliament are open to the public, unless otherwise > > stated. This pertain to the briefing on 30 May 2017 and the public > hearings. > > 3. Members of the public should use the visitors entrance in Plein Street > > and should have a copy of their ID, driver license or passport to gain > > entry. > > 4. There is no limited on the number of people that may want to attend. > > 5. There is no need to secure a seat as it is an open meeting. > > 6. Please indicated whether you wish to make an oral submission as well. > > Please note that decision to allow for an oral submission is the > > Committee's and it would be base on the submission. > > > > *NB: It would be appreciated if you can forward this email to other > > stakeholders*. > > > > Regards, > > > > André > > >>> Andre Hermans 5/25/2017 4:55 PM >>> > > Dear Stakeholder > > > > Please be informed that Committee has scheduled to receive a briefing on > > Tuesday, 30 May 2017 on the Copyright Amendment Bill. > > > > Time: 09:00 - 13:00 > > Venue, Room E249, Second Floor, New Assembly Wing, Parliament, Cape Town. > > > > Regards, > > > > André > > >>> Andre Hermans 5/22/2017 1:08 PM >>> > > Dear Stakeholder > > > > Attached please find a copy of the Copyright Amendment Bill that was > > introduced in Parliament. > > > > Information regarding processing of the Bill, including the Performers > > Protection Amendment Bill, will be communicated to stakeholders in due > > course. > > > > *NB: No dates have yet been confirmed for processing of both Bills. * > > > > It would be appreciated if you could forward this email to other > > stakeholders. > > > > Regards, > > > > André > > >>> Andre Hermans 2/15/2017 1:51 PM >>> > > Dear Stakeholder > > > > Please be informed that the Committee meeting scheduled for Friday, 17 > > February 2017 to receive a briefing on the Performers' Protection > Amendment > > Bill has been postponed until Tuesday, 21 February 2017. > > > > *As a result of this postponement the public hearings on the Bill will > now > > take place on 24 and 28 February 2017.* > > > > Our apologies for the inconvenience caused. > > > > Regards, > > > > André > > >>> Andre Hermans 2/14/2017 1:56 PM >>> > > Dear Stakeholders > > > > Please be informed that the Committee is in the process of finalising its > > programme with respect to the public hearings scheduled for 21 and 24 > > February on the Performers' Protection Amendment Bill. > > > > Please note, that in finalising the programme for the public hearings, we > > will take into account requests to make a submission on a specific day. > > > > It's our objective to forward the draft programme to stakeholders by > 15:00 > > on Wednesday, 15 February 2017. > > > > Regards, > > > > André > > > > >>> Andre Hermans 1/17/2017 12:56 PM >>> > > Dear Stakeholders > > > > Attached please find the advert that was place over the weekend of 6-7 > > January 2017 in the newspapers calling for submissions on the Performers > > Protection Amendment Bill. Adverts were place in all official languages. > > > > Also attached is a copy of Bill as tabled. > > > > It would be appreciated if you could forward this email to other > > stakeholders. > > > > Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any queries. > > > > Regards, > > > > André R Hermans > > Committee Secretary: PC Trade and Industry > > Tel: (021) 403 3776 <021%20403%203776> > > Fax: 0866527753 <086%20652%207753> > > Cell: 0837098482 <083%20709%208482> > > email:[email protected] <javascript:;> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _______________ > > Please note: This email and its content are subject to the disclaimer as > > displayed at the following URL: https://www.parliament.gov.za/ > > email-disclaimer ______________________________ > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > > > > -- > > Douglas Ian Scott > > 司道格 > > Skype: douglas0scott > > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 <079%20515%208727> > > > > > > -- > Douglas Ian Scott > 司道格 > Skype: douglas0scott > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 11:38:40 +0200 > From: David Richfield <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > To: Wikimedia South Africa Mailing List > <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Processing of the Copyright and > Performers' ProtectionAmendment Bills > Message-ID: > < > cae_d4n5rtww1qvcf5dzaqsf9t7cbxme2dqplytjc5rtp9ss...@mail.gmail.com > <javascript:;>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Thank you for this quick update, and congratulations on what seems to have > been very effective ethical lobbying :-D > > > -- > David Richfield > Nabburgerstraße 19, 81737 München > +49 176 72663368 > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > WikimediaZA mailing list > [email protected] <javascript:;> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > ------------------------------ > > End of WikimediaZA Digest, Vol 80, Issue 3 > ****************************************** > -- *Michael Graaf* *Researcher & Editor* keybase.io/michaelgraaf +27795487242 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza To unsubscribe, send an email to [email protected]
