Absolutely! I only sent this mail because I had been blocked, and of course the discussion should take place on afwiki.
Thanks for the unblock. Now time for cool heads :-) Ian Gilfillan <[email protected]> schrieb am Mi., 15. Juli 2020, 02:11: > Thanks David for raising the issue and reaching out. > > Can I suggest though that this discussion gets moved to the Afrikaans > Wikipedia talk pages. If the mailing list gets used for every edit > dispute we'd all be swamped! > > On 2020/07/15 01:27, David Richfield wrote: > > I went to the effort of doing a complete translation of the excellent, > > balanced, extensive German article, and uploaded it from the > > translation tool, and as soon as I started fixing formatting issues, I > > realised that a minute after uploading the article I had been blocked > > by Voyageur, who restored his version of the article. I would have > > liked to take this topic to the Geselshoekie, but now that's not > > possible. > > > > The reason for the block was given as "Skrap van bladsyinhoud" (page > blanking). > > > > The article as it stands at the moment is an uncritical advertisement > > for Scientology, not remotely adhering to NPOV. It has the following > > text as a caption to an image: > > > > Haatspraak van Anonymous-ondersteuner in San Francisco teen > > Sciëntologie. L. Ron Hubbard se seun Quentin is in 1976 onder verdagte > > omstandighede dood aangetref, die selfmoordteorie nooit bewese nie. > > Moontlik het hy slegte geselskap met sy lewe betaal. > > Anti-Sciëntologiese aktiviste probeer steeds weer liggelowige gay mans > > teen die Kerk van Sciëntologie opsweep > > > > In English: > > > > Hate speech by Anonymous supporter in San Francisco against > > Scientology. L. Ron Hubbard's son Quentin was found dead in 1976 under > > suspicious circumstances, the suicide theory never proven. Possibly he > > paid bad company with his life. Anti-Scientology activists repeatedly > > try to incite gullible gay men against the Church of Scientology > > > > Actually, just go and read > > https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci%C3%ABntologie for yourself. It's > > really quite amazingly biased. > > > > Now who is this Voyageur? I don't really know, but on the Geselshoekie > > at > https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Geselshoekie#Groepering_van_mense_in_rasse > > you will see his attitude towards Muslims: > > > > Die lys Moslem-terroriste (en -slagoffers) is beslis langer as die lys > > van Sciëntologiese terroriste... Lede van daardie kerk kan natuurlik > > oorweeg om iedereen, wat hulle wil bekeer of hul "profeet" beledig, > > die keel af te sny... Ek sal dan steeds nog hier skryf. Kan ons 'n lys > > kry van lande waar Islam gelyke regte vir almal, 'n demokratiese > > samelewing en tegnologiese vooruitgang bevorder het? > > > > In English: > > > > The list of Muslim terrorists (and victims) is definitely longer than > > the list of Scientological terrorists ... Members of that church can, > > of course, consider cutting the throats of anyone who wants to repent > > [yes, not "recant", but literally "repent" in the sense of "be saved"] > > or insult their "prophet". I'll still be writing here then. Can we get > > a list of countries where Islam has promoted equal rights for all, a > > democratic society and technological progress? > > > > This in a discussion that had nothing to do with Scientology or > > religion until he pushed it in that direction. > > > > I have now appealed my block on my talk page. Let's see what happens > next. > > > > Now it's way past my bedtime. > > > > On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 14:55, Douglas Scott <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I find myself agreeing with David on this. Although my opinion on the > >> article does not really matter. What does matter is that at first > glance it > >> does look non-NPOV. I think David has done the right thing by being > bold. > >> An action that we should all be open to taking when we see things that > need > >> changing/adding/editing on any language version of Wikipedia. T > >> > >> If there are others who feel strongly about the article as it was then > it > >> can be discussed on the articles talk page. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Douglas. > >> > >> On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 01:06, David Richfield <[email protected] > > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> The task is taking much longer than I expected: I'm about halfway > >>> through, but most of the citation templates aren't automatically > >>> translated by the translation tool, so I'm having to do them almost by > >>> hand. I hope to get it done tomorrow night, and then I'll also > >>> announce it on the Geselshoekie. No sense in putting the cat among the > >>> pigeons before then. > >>> > >>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 19:38, David Richfield < > [email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>> And the German article has been around since 2002, has had 265 > >>>> editors, and is actually written from a neutral point of view. > >>>> > >>>> I'm going to do the translation and discuss it on the Geselshoekie. > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 18:35, Rossouw van Rooyen <[email protected] > > > >>> wrote: > >>>>> The article has existed since 2004 and has seen 9 editors. > >>>>> > >>>>> So rather first discuss it in the Geselshoekie. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> *Rossouw van RooyenFarm ManagerWildheim <https://www.wildheim.net/ > >>>> Cell: > >>>>> 081 874 1191Tel: 063 280 650* > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 17:31, David Richfield < > >>> [email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Rossouw, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It massively violates NPOV, one-sidedly presenting the point of view > >>>>>> of the Church itself. It's also openly polemical: for example, see > >>> the > >>>>>> captions on the first two pictures. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You can compare it to the German article, which is balanced and > >>> neutral. > >>>>>> It seems to be essentially the product of a single, very biased > >>> author. > >>>>>> In fact, I'm going to be bold and simply translate the German > article > >>>>>> tonight and take this discussion to the Geselshoekie. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 16:55, Rossouw van Rooyen < > >>> [email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What exactly is wrong with it? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *Rossouw van RooyenFarm ManagerWildheim <https://www.wildheim.net/ > >>>> Cell: > >>>>>>> 081 874 1191Tel: 063 280 650* > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 16:24, David Richfield < > >>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What on earth is going on with the Afrikaans Wikipedia? > >>>>>>>> https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci%C3%ABntologie is blatant > >>> propaganda. > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> David Richfield > >>>>>>>> +49 170 570 4998 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> WikimediaZA mailing list > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send an email to > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> WikimediaZA mailing list > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send an email to > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> David Richfield > >>>>>> +49 170 570 4998 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> WikimediaZA mailing list > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send an email to > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> WikimediaZA mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > >>>>> To unsubscribe, send an email to > >>> [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> David Richfield > >>>> +49 170 570 4998 > > _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza To unsubscribe, send an email to [email protected]
