Those points make sense-however the only issue with having multiple blogs is they look unused and dormant If there are too many.
On Sunday, October 4, 2009, <[email protected]> wrote: > #blog on front page > > I know who past accredited reporters were, and who some of those who > still are, are. > > Sooner or later someone will "rant" in an inappropriate and extremely > poorly thought out way. Sure, it is themselves they're opening up to > comments that rip their arguments apart for being poorly thought out and > not based in reality. But it will reflect poorly on us all, and look > highly unprofessional. That's why I would rather have more than one > blog, define a clear scope for any blogs we do have, not have them > in-your-face up-front, and if anyone does feel the need to "rant" they > do it on their own personal blog. > > #list of accredited users on wikinewsie > > The email domain is @http://wikinewsie.org. If you contact someone, and they > decide to see who/what a "Wikinewsie" is, they'll look at that domain's > website. If they're redirected to en.wn, they could attach all the > "unreliable", "anyone can change it", &c connotations from seeing a > wiki. Presenting the data (list of reporters & bios) in such a way that > it looks 'cast-in-stone', and unalterable is more credible. > > I am also on ComCom, and have access to the OTRS queue for press queries > sent to the WMF. You do tend to carry out these sort of checks, you do > want to "know thine enemy" before responding. Just like when someone > emails from a gmail address, and says they're from the NYT, you make an > effort to verify this is true. This can even be emailing back and asking > for contact from a @nyt address. > > #google for email > > I'm doing my best to keep my email out of the UK government's > super-database. I have zero assurances or trust Google won't give up > that information if told "He's a UK peon, we say you're one of his ISPs, > give all the data". If you think it won't happen, look at how they > cooperate with China. At least USians have the current attempt to get > telcos bitchslapped for warantless wiretapping, not so for many others. > > I have used gmail accounts as a convenient and semi-anonymous free email > address. If I ever intend to say something I would prefer difficult to > pin on me, I always retrieve and send email with POP/SMTP *through Tor*. > Let's see a show of hands as to how many people on this list, accredited > or not, could actually do that. > > I am disinclined to use Google for wikinewsie stuff on that basis, > they're not really the techie "do-no-evil" company anymore, they're an > advertising and marketing company. They will always collect data to make > saleable statistics - I prefer to "poison the well" and skew the > statistics over helpfully providing such data. > > As Jon says, we've had this Google Apps argument before. I've 20 years > experience in IT with a big chunk of that in cellular telecoms, I used > to get my hands on 1/4" mag tapes with a full month's call details for > all a service provider's subscribers; who called, for how long, which > tower(s) handled the call, all the numbers dialled that didn't answer. > There has never been any thought that this data belongs to the > subscriber. That attitude has never changed, just a variety of > concessions to stop customers running away screaming, or compliance with > whatever government legislation is enacted to give the appearance of > privacy. > > So I'm fairly sure my position is well-informed. Google will quickly and > quietly fold in the face of concerns from a sovereign government. We're > trying to be journalists, using Google is like Bob Woodward faxing all > his reporter's notes to a document storage company that would hand them > over the second Tricky Dicky asked. > > > Brian. > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinewsie >> From: Tristan Thomas <[email protected]> >> Date: Sun, October 04, 2009 9:22 am >> To: Wikinews mailing list <[email protected]> >> >> >> I like Jon's proposal. I want to keep list of accredited users on Wikinews >> as there's no reason it needs to be anywhere else. We can start having >> quick biogs of reporters on there if that's what people want. Agree with >> Gmail-Godaddy is forwarded to it anyway for me, so not too bothered. TBH I >> can't see it is worth it to get SUL-it's only a few things & you can have >> the same details. >> Thoughts on Jon's idea? >> >> 2009/10/4 Jon Davis <[email protected]> >> >> > I was thinkin about this problem and here's what I came up with. >> > >> > - Make Wikinewsie.org (main page), the blog. >> > - Allow trusted users to have an account on the blog to basically post what >> > they want. We always tell people "We don't do editorials, thats what blogs >> > are for", well there you go. We can have our Offsite, non-official blog, >> > where we can be POV. Well at least some people can do that stuff. Some >> > people like me can stick to posting technical news. >> > - Stick to maintaining the accredited user list on en.Wikinews >> > - GoDaddy email/Calendar get replaced by Gmail Apps for your Domain. I >> > know their free version supports up to 25 users, we can probably email them >> > and get more because we're kinda sorta non-profit. >> > - Keep the Wikinewsie wiki an embargoed wiki, we don't need a public >> > namespace on that. >> > - The answer to the "SUL-like" question is LDAP. I know you can easily tie >> > Mediawiki to LDAP and from my quick google'ing, wordpress too. That being >> > said, is it worth it? I dunno. Then you have to maintain the LDAP service >> > too, and that doesn't even mention the mail issue (you'd have to have your >> > own app for that, no hosted deal). Oh, and I forgot the issue of >> > permissions. >> > >> > I'd be willing to volunteer for some the technical stuff, after all servers >> > are kinda my thing. >> > >> > -SGN >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 05:46, <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> I want to see the blog resurrected on Wikinewsie - and perhaps others >> >> added there too. You can pretty much forget us getting a WMF-provided >> >> blog of any particular sort until we prove such will clearly fit the >> >> remit laid out to justify 501(c) status. >> >> >> >> The Editors' Blog did not do too well for a variety of reasons. The >> >> scope was intended to be on the details of the news reporting process, >> >> yes with posts being single author and having a clear byline there is >> >> nothing wrong with opinion that would not meet NPOV. There is a problem >> >> with ranting anger that isn't cogently justified. >> >> >> >> A more technical blog, or one with a focus on recent meta-news might >> >> work. There certainly isn't much chance of us being able to make >> >> submissions to the official WMF tech blog. In this case, WordPress is >> >> more appropriate than wiki technology because there is little >> >> collaboration on the published item, and a need for a widely-known >> >> simple comment system. >> >> >> >> I set up Wikinewsie.org because, despite asking again and again, nobody >> >> would agree to give us @http://wikinews.org or even >> >> @http://en.wikinews.org email >> >> addresses. The rest is just because it'd be stupid not to have a web >> >> page matching the domain in the email addresses. >> >> >> >> At Wikimania in Alexandria, there were nods of agreement from Sue, Jay, >> >> and Michael when I said I would like the WMF to take over the domain and >> >> provide the hosting. Since then nothing, but it is clear from current >> >> discussions that Wikinews is not a remotely important project when >> >> prioritising the issues the WMF has to deal with. There is an open >> >> invitation fo> >> bawolff%[email protected] <bawolff%[email protected]>>> >> >> > > > Date: Fri, October 02, 2009 11:26 pm >> >> > > > To: Wikinews mailing list <[email protected]> >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > In the interest of fairness, only one of thoose gadgets are mine. >> >> The >> >> > > > other one is the original version stolen from the french >> >> wikinewsies. >> >> > > > Cheers. >> >> > > > -- >> >> > > > - Brian >> >> > > > Caution: The mass of this product contains the energy equivalent of >> >> 85 >> >> > > > million tons of TNT per net ounce of weight. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Jon Davis <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > > > > I've been told at one point in time, we had a regularly scheduled >> >> > > newsletter >> >> > > > > of the important goings on at Wikinews. I can't find it in the >> >> list >> >> > > > > archives, but no matter. I figured it was about time to >> >> > > start/resurrect >> >> > > > > it. After all, we do important things around here and if you >> >> aren't on >> >> > > the >> >> > > > > Wiki 24/7, you might miss something. So here are the important >> >> > > highlights >> >> > > > > from last month: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > September 12th we had a banner day with 20 published articles in >> >> one >> >> > > day. >> >> > > > > [[Category:September 12, 2009]] - http://enwn.net/A029 >> >> > > > > The RSS feed has been truncated to a more reasonable number - >> >> > > > > http://feeds.feedburner.com/WikinewsLatestNews >> >> > > > > We started a page to help Wikipedians better integrated with >> >> Wikinews - >> >> > > > > [[Wikinews:For Wikipedians]] - http://enwn.net/197b >> >> > > > > [[Wikinews:Make Lead]] has been integrated into Easy Peer Review >> >> by >> >> > > Bawolff >> >> > > > > - http://enwn.net/b05f >> >> > > > > Bawolff also gave us not one but two different gadgets that >> >> integrate >> >> > > to >> >> > > > > Wiktionary [[WN:WiktLookup]] - http://enwn.net/F52b >> >> > > > > As of September 16th, we're not being carried on Google News, due >> >> to a >> >> > > > > change in MediaWiki. Bug #20818 - http://enwn.net/246c >> >> > > > > Some article statistics were made [[User:ShakataGaNai/Statistics >> >> > > Project]] - >> >> > > > > http://enwn.net/5967 >> >> > > > > The [[Main Page]] is getting an overhaul, with the new design to >> >> show >> >> > > up in >> >> > > > > the next 24-48 hours - http://enwn.net/h >> >> > > > > Policy proposed & passed to "Expire" Accredited Reports after 2 >> >> years. >> >> > > - >> >> > > > > http://enwn.net/6972 >> >> > > > > All the Water Coolers are now being archived (by month) >> >> automatically. >> >> > > > > New Administrators: 1, New Editors: 5 >> >> > _______________________________________________ Wikinews-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
