I assume Cunctator (hello!) means he sees extraction of facts / relationships from CC-SA articles, and claiming those facts are CC-0, hurts copyleft.
I don't see copyright/left as applying to individual facts or data; so I don't think this is a legal issue; but the social and practical questions are relevant. [how do we set expectations? as it becomes easier to decompose narratives and texts into constellations of facts, what's the impact on (c) / (ↄ), &c.] On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 11:27 AM Federico Leva (Nemo) <[email protected]> wrote: > The Cunctator, 18/06/2018 17:57: > > Is there a coherent explanation of what content Wikidata is extracting > from > > CC-BY-SA projects? > > Not really, because it's a very distributed and long-running process > (which is very very far from completion). But there are some relevant > examples explained in some publications. > https://eprints.soton.ac.uk/412922/1/opensym_wd_vs_wp_2_.pdf > > https://eprints.soton.ac.uk/413433/1/Open_Sym_Short_Paper_Wikidata_Multilingual.pdf > http://oadoi.org/10.1145/2872427.2874809 > > > Your claims that the abusive destruction of copyleft by the Wikidata > > project have nothing to do with copyright and nothing to do with Wikidata > > don't make any sense. > By "abusive destruction of copyleft" do you mean the practice of > mirroring Wikipedia articles, or snippets thereof, without really > complying with the copyleft licenses? > > The first large scale example (which went way beyond the usual rogue > mirrors) was probably Facebook with "community pages" in 2010. > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2010-April/104232.html> > > At the time, the Wikimedia Foundation attempted to get them include a > visible reference to CC-BY-SA, links from which the history and edit > buttons would be visible, and so on. Some considered the result > acceptable, some didn't. But many said there was no way to enforce > something else. > > Free riders are a common and well-studied issue of copyleft projects. > The countermeasure is generally some kind of copyleft compliance > syndicate, like > https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/principles.html > > Federico > > _______________________________________________ > Wikipedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
