Cyprien, Please read https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_proposal_policy and if you meet the criteria, add the request to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages
Best regards, Jim On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:20 PM Cyprien Emeric <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Dakota, > > I am aware of the difficulties there are, and the difficulties there will > be to develop this project. That's why I am really happy to see that you > can help me a bit. > > First, about the language code, I don't really have any solution. I sent > you the email knowing that it would be a problem. I am ready to try to ask > for a different code to the institutions, but I think you had a great idea, > so maybe we should try to see if your solution works before starting > another procedure. > > Then, about the Provençal Wikimedia community, I am sure we can find quite > easily a group of people which would make the project alive. There is > already an Occitan community, and I am sure some people in this community > know Provençal and could become contributors in this project too. In > addition, I also know Provençal associations and institutions which could > help and participate a lot in the project, and which could form a community > important enough to make it alive. But you'll understand if I don't want to > ask them anything whithout being sure that this project can take shape. > Could you also explain me what you meant with "requesting Incubator > projects"? > > Finally, I'd also like to talk about the number of speakers: what I gave > you in my previous email is only the approximate number of native speakers > there are. I didn't mention the number of non native speakers of Provençal > (speakers like me, which undoubtedly constitute a large part of the total > number of speakers). Provençal is taught in some schools (perhaps I can get > the number of Provençal students in schools if needed), and some speakers > also learn it on the Internet or by reading books, etc. If a Provençal > Wikimedia project was created, it would surely motivate them a lot, and > thus increase the number of potential contributors (please don't laugh, we > never realize the psychological power things can have on people, and the > consequences it can generate). It would also help a lot Provençal teachers > in schools: it would allow them to use the Provençal Wikipedia in classes, > for example, and thus increase the number of speakers in the long run. > A Provençal Wikimedia project would bring exposure to the language too, and > that's what it most needs. > > I really hope you'll be able to help me, and I thank you a lot for your > kindness. > > Sincerely, > > Cyprien. > > Le lun. 22 oct. 2018 à 18:19, Dakota Ross <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > Hi Cyprien, > > > > I can certainly understand the desire to utilize and maintain a language of > > regional and historical importance. At a glance, I can see some technical > > and practical challenges to incorporating the Provençal language as a > > standalone project. > > > > The first hurdle I see is a shared language code with the Occitan language, > > as you previously cited. How would you propose to differentiate Occitan and > > Provençal Wikimedia projects? One solution I may propose is the use of > > Occitan's 639-3 code "oci" for Provençal. > > > > The next matter to consider is the size and success of Provençal Wikimedia > > communities. If there is not much of an audience or community, chances of > > receiving a full-fledged Wikimedia project are slim. Perhaps a start would > > be requesting Incubator projects? > > > > I wish I could provide more on this, but I unfortunately don't have all the > > answers and knowledge others do. > > > > Best, > > Dakota (dross) > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dross > > > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 9:27 AM Cyprien Emeric <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Good afternoon, > > > > > > Here is the information required for the procedure: > > > > > > *Name of the language:* Provençal / Prouvençau > > > *Codes:* ISO-639 1: oc > > > ISO-639 2: oc > > > ISO-639: oci > > > *Number of living native speakers:* about 400.000 (no recent official > > > census) > > > It can be considered as a dialect of the Occitan language but some > > > particularities make it very different from the other Occitan dialects. > > > Moreover, the way of writing is not the same: a different written form is > > > used in the provençal area, a specific one, designed for the Provençal > > > language/dialect, and called "mistralian norm". It is a norm which uses > > > forms closer to the oral language, and thus easier to read, and is the > > > majority written form used in the region. > > > Because of the fact that provençal, like all other regional languages of > > > France, has never been taught in schools until now, most of the native > > > speakers can't understand a written text, even if they speak the language > > > and they understand it orally. If one of those speakers want to read a > > > Wikipedia article in the language (s)he speaks, he will find nothing but > > an > > > article written in general Occitan, that (s)he won't understand because > > of > > > the dialectal differences and the written form used, an unfamiliar norm > > > (s)he won't be able to read easily. > > > > > > That's the reason why we need a Provençal version of Wikipedia, and why I > > > send you this email. Please consider all these elements before taking a > > > decision. I am ready to provide more elements if necessary. > > > > > > What I told you is not a politic or a personal opinion; it's the result > > of > > > my ambition of preserving and promoting this language, an ambition shared > > > by many other people. > > > Adding Provençal to the Wikipedia languages would help us to make it > > alive. > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > C. 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