Hi guys, sorry to bother you but let me ask you again. Do we have a way (right now), to associate proofredings and validation to single users?
I don't know how phe's tools count them, but he does: toolserver.org/~phe/statistics.php?diff=1 Can we (well, ehm, you) hack the tool to give the local communities an easy way to count the proofreadings for the contest? Aubrey On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM, David Cuenca <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Craig, > > Your message had many interesting insights and I thank you for them. You > are right that the contest seems a bit haphazard in its goals, but > considering that it is the first attempt at something like it, and given > the little time that we have (and as Aubrey said, few volunteers to run > it), just to run *anything* it is already a challenge by itself. Yes, the > main goal is to cellebrate the anniversary, and proofread, and give and > have an extra incentive. > > As for the prize I must say that it is well-suited for the small community > size of the Catalan group (about 6 very active contributors, plus some > coming and going), but for larger communities I can imagine that they would > be happier to have better prices (high-end tablets and good scanners are in > big demand too) or more quantity. The voucher idea is indeed very > interesting too (even if it is delivered at random in addition to the > regular price), I will ask to see if we have enough budget to add it to our > version. > > About the outreach, well, I think the first thing to do is to show > ourselves that we can run a contest :) I don't know about other communities > but for us it is the first time and we need also to build the confidence > and the experience. If we can make it work, next year we could try again > with partnerships and to be more ambitious with the goals. > > Anyhow, I really appreciate the effort put into this. > > Cheers > David --Micru > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Craig Franklin < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> A couple of thoughts on this, based on Kerry Raymond's earlier post to >> the WMAU list:- >> >> 1. What is the purpose of this competition, other than to celebrate the >> 10th anniversary? Is it to attract new users? Is it to get some key works >> transcribed very quickly? Is it to distribute movement-funded prizes to >> long-term contributors? The purpose of the competition will drive how it >> is structured. >> >> 2. As has been pointed out, an e-Reader, at least in Australia (and >> probably most other developed English speaking countries) is not all that >> impressive a prize, especially if you already have one or don't have an >> interest in having an e-Reader. I think a slightly better prize would be a >> gift certificate to somewhere like Amazon or Fishpond, so at least the >> winner can choose something they know they'll like. This may be different >> in other countries, of course. >> >> 3. A point-based system like what you propose is easy enough to >> administer, but if the approach is to attract new users, they'll probably >> notice that anyone that doesn't get in within the first couple of days is >> probably at a massive disadvantage to getting the prize. In turn, this >> will make the motivational aspect of the prize disappear for anyone that >> comes late. If we're counting on the prize to get users to do some work, I >> think we'd be disappointed. This can be solved a bit by having a prize >> pool that can be broken into smaller pieces, so rather than a $100 e-Reader >> you can distribute a $20 voucher every day (for example). This would mean >> that those who arrive late still have a chance of getting something. >> >> 4. My experience with running competitions like this is that if you >> approach it with a "build it and they will come" mindset, the only entrants >> you'll get are people who are already contributing in that fashion anyway. >> There needs to be some hook to get people who have not previously heard of >> or contributed to Wikisource to contribute. Otherwise they're never going >> to hear about it and we're never going to get our new users. Is there some >> mechanism to advertise this widely beyond just existing Wikisource users? >> >> 5. WMAU's experience with the "Pitch In!" project, where we did have the >> support of a major public institution as a hook to get those new users in, >> is that it's actually quite hard to get new users to Wikisource to 'stick'. >> I think we can expect a lot of users to do a single page, and a lot of new >> users to vanish once the contest is over. If recruitment is the goal, then >> there needs to be a strategy to continue engaging with users who arrive for >> the competition so that we retain them. >> >> I don't want to be the one that pours cold water on the whole idea (I do >> think it'd be wonderful to do *something* for the 10th anniversary), but >> I'm not clear on what we're actually trying to achieve with this >> competition. >> >> Cheers, >> Craig Franklin >> >> >> >> >> On 7 November 2013 09:40, David Cuenca <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Since this is the first time we do it and we don't have enough >>> organizational capacity, it will be easier to hold independent contests. >>> >>> For the Catalan edition we are planning to do as follows: >>> - the contest will be open from Nov 24th 00 UTC till Dec 1st 23:59 UTC. >>> - 2 organizers select 3 books in secret (more will be added if needed). >>> The books have OCR of acceptable quality and they are not too hard to >>> format. The books chosen will be disclosed when the contest begins. One >>> sample page will be offered, plus links to relevant help pages. We are >>> putting it all together here: >>> https://ca.wikisource.org/wiki/Viquitexts:Viquirepte_10%C3%A8_aniversari >>> - the participants get 3 points for each completely corrected and >>> formatted page, if they validate someone else's page, they get 1 point >>> - the organizers can disqualify a participant if they mark pages as done >>> without actually working on them >>> - the prize will be an ebook reader (model TBD) >>> >>> KRLS has told me that he will try to have a counting script ready, if >>> not, we will count it manually. >>> >>> So how many contests are we going to have? Italian, Catalan and, maybe >>> WM-DC or WM-AU organize the English version? >>> >>> When everything is clear we should prepare an annoncement and publish it >>> next week on the Wikimedia blog. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Micru >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Andrea Zanni >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Regarding the cotest: >>>> how do you like an international contest, with both local wikisource >>>> and single user chart? >>>> >>>> Something like Wiki Loves Monuments, like this: >>>> https://toolserver.org/~emijrp/wlm/stats.php >>>> >>>> The real problem is that we *don't* have a way (right now), to >>>> associate clearly proofredings and validation with single users. >>>> I don't know how phe's tools count them, but I'm sure something could >>>> be done. >>>> toolserver.org/~phe/statistics.php?diff=1 >>>> >>>> Aubrey >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Craig Franklin < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, that would be well within the realm of what the WMAU "Volunteer >>>>> Support Programme" would be able to fund, if one of our members were to >>>>> apply: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Volunteer_Support_Programme >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Craig >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4 November 2013 22:18, Andrea Zanni <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well, I'd be 100 dollars/euros, something low budget (like a Kindle >>>>>> or a Kobo). >>>>>> >>>>>> Aubrey >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Craig Franklin < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What sort of cost are we looking at to buy some nifty gadget as a >>>>>>> prize? Is it something that could be done through our Volunteer Support >>>>>>> Programme? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Craig Franklin >>>>>>> President - Wikimedia Australia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1 November 2013 16:55, John Vandenberg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Great concept. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think this would a great little project, and worth the expense >>>>>>>> for the WMAu chapter. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I helped run a small wikisource competition with Wikimedia >>>>>>>> Indonesia (esp. Ivonne & Siska) to transcribe a 550 page dictionary, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> found it to be very successful, but does require quite a bit of time >>>>>>>> to run >>>>>>>> and help newbies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ill write up a proposal if another WMAu member is willing to second >>>>>>>> and help organise the competition in Oz. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> From: "David Cuenca" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Date: Oct 31, 2013 10:09 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource 10th aniversary proposal : >>>>>>>> Proofreading contest >>>>>>>> To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>> Cc: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Talking with some members of Amical Wikimedia about how to >>>>>>>> celebrate the 10th aniversary, one of the proposals was to organize a >>>>>>>> proofreading contest. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Basically, we would select some books for the participants to >>>>>>>> proofread and validate and they would gather points for each page >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>> errors. The person with the most points would win a Kindle donated by >>>>>>>> Amical Wikimedia. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, we have been thinking that with the help of some members >>>>>>>> of the Wikisource User Group and other Chapters, then we could >>>>>>>> escalate it >>>>>>>> to an international proofreading contest, instead of being just >>>>>>>> regional. I >>>>>>>> guess ideally we would need 3 kindles and at least a volunteer from >>>>>>>> each >>>>>>>> community to organize it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you think of the idea? Would you or any chapter that would >>>>>>>> like to get involved? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Micru >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Etiamsi omnes, ego non >>> >> >> > > > -- > Etiamsi omnes, ego non > > _______________________________________________ > Wikisource-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > >
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