Splitting every book into two different items, *work* and *edition*, and using nsWork into wikisource projects to point the* work*, the issue is politely solved: any Work page into any wikisource could be interlinked by wikidata, since all point to the same "abstract" work wikidata item.
On the contrary, *edition* pages can be interlinked by wikidata only when they are related to the same edition wikidata item, as happens i.e. in multilingual books, sharing the *same djvu file* into different projects. Alex 2015-07-28 9:59 GMT+02:00 billinghurst <billinghurstw...@gmail.com>: > Nahum, > > I suppose the predominant part of my discussion was focusing on published > translations, rather than WS-generated translations. > > 1) because many famous works have (famous) published translations, each > with their own translator(s), date of publication, publisher, ... all > worthy of noting and WD'ing. > > 2) you can only link to one work per wiki at WD, and as an example of an > issue , I know of numbers of Chekov's works that enWS hosts where we have > multiple published translations. So enWS needs a means for link generation > for many to one (at ruWS), or for English language works, we may need a one > to any. > > When it comes to WS-generated translations, I can see that we may or may > not wish to call those translations their own edition. If a translation > passes a notability check of its own edition, then separate, if not, maybe > then it comes off the other original language work. (Maybe leave that > decision with the xxWS to determine???). > > What I am hoping to see is a tool that provides the maximum flexibity and > credibility for the WSes, yet gives best visibility and authority at WD. > > Billinghurst > > On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:35 Nahum Wengrov <novar...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Wait a minute. >> If a work esists in, say, ru.wikisource, >> And then someone translates that work and posts his translation under a >> free license in he.wikisource, >> I am not to link the hebrew version to its source in ru.ws on wikidata, >> But to create a seperate wikidata entry for it? >> This makes zero sense to me, and we never did it this way on >> he.wikisource. >> >> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 2:25 PM, billinghurst <billinghurstw...@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> Thought that the pasted discussion from WD is of interest and adds to >>> our recent discussion on interwikis/interlanguage links. >>> >>> >>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Wikidata_discourages_interwiki_links >>> >>> Wikidata discourages interwiki links >>> >>> Looking at Zhuangzi (Q1074987) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1074987> >>> *Zhuanhgzi*, I see that this data item is only for the work as it >>> exists in Chinese. The work as translated into English is a separate data >>> item, and the French Wikisource translation is another data item. >>> >>> Effectively, this means that Wikidata discourages interwiki links to and >>> between Wikisource projects, because they will never be part of the same >>> data item. Further, anyone seeking a translation of a work into another >>> language must first come to Wikidata and surf the links even to find out if >>> translations of a work in another language exist on Wikisource; it is not >>> possible to do that from any Wikisource directly. >>> >>> I thought the whole point of moving the links to Wikidata was to promote >>> connections between projects, not to eliminate them. But perhaps I am >>> wrong. --EncycloPetey <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:EncycloPetey> >>> (talk <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:EncycloPetey>) 02:19, 26 >>> July 2015 (UTC) >>> @EncycloPetey <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:EncycloPetey>: There >>> are other ways to create interwiki by the help of Wikidata. See s:sv:Bibeln >>> 1917 <https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/sv:Bibeln_1917> where I have made >>> some tests with the Bible (Q1845) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1845>. >>> The interwiki is created by the help of a Lua-module that follows edition(s) >>> (P747) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P747> and edition or >>> translation of (P629) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P629>. >>> The big advantage is that it makes possible to create intewiki to more than >>> one page in every project. For example, that page have 13 links to >>> enwikisource. -- Innocent bystander >>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander> (talk >>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Innocent_bystander>) 05:49, 26 >>> July 2015 (UTC) @Innocent bystander >>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander>:This is very >>> interesting, what template (and Lua-module) do you use ? it should be done >>> for all wikisources, that often have a lot of translated texts :) -- >>> Hsarrazin <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Hsarrazin> (talk >>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Hsarrazin>) 09:43, 26 July >>> 2015 (UTC) @Hsarrazin <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Hsarrazin>: >>> It's s:sv:Modul:Sandlåda/Innocent bystander >>> <https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/sv:Modul:Sandl%C3%A5da/Innocent_bystander> >>> who today is included in s:sv:Mall:Titel >>> <https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/sv:Mall:Titel>, a template that can be >>> found in almost every page on svsource. Observe that the module is not >>> secured against loops in the P747/P629-hierarcy. It also needs support by >>> the "interwiki-extra"-class in s:sv:MediaWiki:Common.js >>> <https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/sv:MediaWiki:Common.js>, otherwise you >>> cannot have more than one interwiki in each page. -- Innocent bystander >>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander> (talk >>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Innocent_bystander>) 10:11, 26 >>> July 2015 (UTC)BTW, another thing the code does: It makes it possible >>> to have interwiki to the Text-namespaces in als/bar/frr/pflwikis. -- >>> Innocent >>> bystander <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Innocent_bystander> (talk >>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Innocent_bystander>) 10:18, 26 >>> July 2015 (UTC) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikisource-l mailing list >>> Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikisource-l mailing list >> Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikisource-l mailing list > Wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > >
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