On 5 September 2013 17:46, Steven Walling <[email protected]> wrote:
> Question: can we just merge References and Reference list tools, making > the list function a secondary option under references? > You mean like Microsoft Word's "insert list on click" vs. "show list insertion menu on click-and-hold"? Yeah, we've considered this (and also for other interface components like lists), but we've not built that widget yet. > I've been dogfooding VE for quite some time, and I am continually confused > by the distinction between these two, including by the very similar icons. > Yeah, the icons are confusing. Better icons or icon ideas always appreciated, of course. :-) Now that the icons are labelled (see the toolbar for the VE test page<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor:Test?veaction=edit>), it may be clearer; I can foresee the reference button ending up in the main toolbar, with the reference list button being in the "Insert" long-menu, for example. We've considered automatically just inserting a reference list at the bottom of the page if there isn't one in the page already (though this is complicated to detect thanks to {{reflist}} and its friends), or warning on save ("Hey, you've added references but no reference list - would you like to add one automatically? Add | Continue"), though this only lowers the need, not removes. J. -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, VisualEditor Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. [email protected] | @jdforrester
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