On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 4:34 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) <[email protected]> wrote:
> Brian Wolff, 27/11/18 18:45: > > I'm still open to communities who want to continue to have the old > > behaviour to opt out of the new behaviour - The primary thing here is > > that the default has now changed, so that anywhere that was using the > > old behaviour for no other reason then it was the default is now using > > the new behaviour. > > The problem with this is that the right to unblock yourself is clearly > something of use in unforeseen emergencies, not something for which > you'd usually write up a consensus discussion or a guideline 5 years in > advance. > > I understand the feeling of urgency in doing such changes by fiat in > response to apparent threats, but I hope you do appreciate the potential > for such permission changes to alter the power structure and social > workings of the wikis in ways we don't fully anticipate. This change may > seem small, but it does dismantle one component of the reciprocality of > administrative powers on the wiki. > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Administrator > > In particular, such a new default means, on wikis with 2 sysops, that > one sysop has the capacity to unilaterally and irreversibly block the > second sysop, and that in any last-resort controversy the permissions > encourage and give a prize to whoever shoots first. (Which is already a > common problem in online communities, see StackExchange with their > "fastest gun in the west" dilemma.) > > I think it would be wise for such a default to be changed only on wikis > which have at least 3 administrators *and* a bureaucrat. > There's an ongoing discussion about reaching out to wikis and ask them if this will be a problem, and how to solve the problem of one admin blocking the other(s) on small wikis, in this Phabricator task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150826 //Johan Jönsson --
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