On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 at 15:47, stjn <ole.y...@gmail.com> wrote: > Something is rotten in the way changes are being discussed and > communicated, and it must be fixed. The approach to major changes (not > talking about some design fix) should involve community and be entirely > international, right now, sadly, WMF asks English Wikipedia on a better day > and no one on a worse day. >
We are a decentralized movement though. Publicizing proposed changes on the Ambassadors list, discussing it on Phabricator, and cross-posting on every VPT, is pretty much the best we can do in terms of getting true international involvement. On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 10:30, geraki <ger...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 8:20 PM Deryck Chan <deryckc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just to keep everyone aware of what's been happening in >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150826 – to avoid the "shoot first to >> win" situation, a blocked admin can block the admin who blocked them but no >> one else. Our balance of terror. > > > I would recommend a threshold of five admins. Notice that if there are >> only three admins (with Nemo's proposal), if one admin blocks another >> admin, the situation reduces to a "shoot first to win" between the two >> remaining admins. If there are five admins and one blocks another, there >> will still be three uninvolved admins left to argue it out :) >> > > In fact, in small wikis it is more likely that the rest of admins will not > want to get involved. I've seen it, experienced it. In wikis with more than > five admins (and some may not be active - you loose rights only after two > years of inactivity). I have even seen admins blocking themselves and > taking wikibreak after blocking another admin, just to show that the were > unhappy that they had to do it. > > :(. > > Any technical change should examine all expected and unexpected scenarios > for manipulation before implemented. > > We should endeavour to explore the impact of all plausible scenarios, but can't reasonably expect a wiki community to examine *all unexpected* scenarios - if we imposed this requirement, nothing will ever happen. In fact the wiki would never have happened if that was the case.
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