On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Remember the dot<[email protected]> wrote: > In Håkon Wium Lie's recent analysis of Wikipedia image markup ( > http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/image/), he makes a good > point: we include image captions both below images and again in the images' > tooltips. Also, for inline images without explicitly defined tooltips, the > image name is used as the tooltip even though it is also shown in the URL > when mousing over the image. Neither of these automatic tooltips are really > useful, and they slow down page load time on image-heavy pages. > > What do you think? Should we keep the redundant tooltips, or start leaving > them out?
We should definitely leave them out. They're clearly redundant. I tried to do this before, but the code for this is horrible and I gave up. The code to pass image attributes from the parser to the appropriate image-generating class (mostly in Linker) needs to be scrapped and rewritten from scratch. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Tim Larson<[email protected]> wrote: > One suggestion that hasn't been mentioned is leaving these as titles in > interactive settings (tooltip in web page) and using CSS to generate inline > text in others (caption when printed). This would prohibit captions from containing markup, and not work in IE6 or IE7. Also, tooltips are not at all discoverable -- captions are a much better place to put info you expect people to actually read. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Brianna Laugher<[email protected]> wrote: > This is actually only the case if you use the keyword 'thumb' or > 'frame'. If you just do [[file:foo.jpg|this is my caption]], then you > only get the "tooltip" (usually called "alt" text for images). > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_attribute> We're discussing the title attribute, not the alt attribute. They're entirely different. Alt text is incorrectly rendered as a tooltip by Internet Explorer if no title attribute is present, for historical reasons, but no other browser does this AFAIK. I don't think any screen reader uses the title attribute in place of the alt attribute, either. Alt text can be set by itself now with [[Image:Foo.png|alt=xxx]], and this is currently the *only* way to set it for images with captions -- it's no longer the same as the caption by default. > They might not be useful for you, but they are useful for others. Could you explain how a title attribute that duplicates caption text is useful to *anyone*? _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
