On 11/13/11 6:46 PM, Platonides wrote: > On 13/11/11 01:44, William Allen Simpson wrote: >> On 11/12/11 6:45 PM, Platonides wrote: >>> When users get a message on their commons talk page, they will receive >>> an email informing of that. >> >> In my personal experience, that's only true for the *first* message. If >> you don't check Talk after that, then you don't get any more emails. >> >> In my case, the first message was a welcome. I didn't need to see the >> welcome. My guess is other more casual users don't bother either, so >> they won't see any deletion messages. > > How did you know it was a welcome message? And why were you so sure that > you didn't need to read it (you know, that welcome message actually > includes useful information) and it was ok to ignore its content and > further ones? > As an example, back in July 2009, my first Talk email (from meta) was rather obviously a Welcome message:
# This is a new page. # # Editor's summary: Welcome! # When my Talk email showed up from trwiki in August 2009, I'm only guessing it was a welcome message: $ Yeni bir sayfa. $ $ Açıklaması: Vikipedi'ye hoş geldiniz! $ I could be wrong. I'm also pretty sure I could not read it for that "useful information." :-) The email notifications were enabled on enwiki more recently in May 2011 (according to its footer/signature section). I don't know about commons, as the footer doesn't say. What commons (and meta) do say in the body (different from enwiki): # There will be no other notifications in case of further changes unless # you visit this page. # You could also reset the notification flags for all your watched pages # on your watchlist. # That's the reason we need a special flag to override. What mechanism would be best? >> I suggested there be a special flag to force the sending of a message. >> AFAICT, that's also the gist of jeblad's: >> >> Add a magic word to enforce "enotif" on specific templates and the >> whole process shold be a lot more easy to handle than today. [sic] >> >> I'm also suggesting we add phone numbers and SMS. Although I live on >> email, I've found the younger set live on their phones a bit more than >> we expected designing SMS long ago. > > I think with smartphones the trend is now getting things on the phone > from the internet. Still, I don't oppose giving the option to send a sms > on each talk page. Specially if you volunteer to pay that :) > Doesn't seem too bad for commons: 600 talk page messages/day*. I would > have expected something like the 9217 on enwiki. > > * Not really averaged, just today values: > select count(*) from revision join page on (rev_page=page_id) where > page_namespace =2 and rev_timestamp LIKE '20111113%'; > Hey, that could be "unlimited" texting for only $9.99 per month. ;-) >>> That requires that they provided an email address on registration (it's >>> optional) and verified it (really easy). >>> Also, they shouldn't have the preference disabled (I think it has been >>> on by default for new users since several years). >>> >>> >>>> An email that pages have changed would be good. Wikia sends it weekly. >>> >>> That would be email notification for all watchlist items. The load >>> produced by enabling such option could be pondered. >> >> Sure, but the old default was to add each page you created to your >> watch list. My guess is there are few folks with massive watchlists. > > If it wasn't on by default, those people you are defending wouldn't have > those pages on their watchlist. > True. And the deletionists would still assume the lack of response meant they were vandals. >>> Note they can also subscribe to an RSS feed of their watchlist (this >>> probably needs more publcity). >>> >> Yeah, I'd never heard of it. > > Ideas on where to publicise that are welcome. The first location I think > is to add that somewhere on that welcome message you didn't read... :\ > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
