I'm not sure but this project can be closely related to what you propose: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata_(2) . ----- Yury Katkov
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:07 PM, John McClure <[email protected]> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John McClure [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:48 AM > To: 'Yury Katkov'; 'Wikimedia developers' > Subject: RE: [Wikitech-l] Topic Maps > > > Yury, > Sure SMW certainly could be part of a solution especially using subobjects > from v1.7, but this suggests WP isn't intended to have something as basic as > a subject-index itself because SMW is apparently not on WP's roadmap. If WP > doesn't record topics for its articles, then WP cannot fully leverage its > library of data in the semantic web. IMHO I think the semantic web is more > fruitfully about merging and contrasting topic maps than resource > descriptions. > > On implementation, I see two parts. First, are hierarchical subject indexes > (such as the LCSH)based on SKOS [3] and second are topic maps that are > roundtripped XTM v2.0 [2] within the scope of <page> elements. "All the > other" plumbing is significant enough though to make this work. For > instance, I'd consider requiring "type" designators in XTM stream to be > names of (aliased+actual) namespaces. The suggests a more dynamic namespace > manager which I know has been kicking around for awhile. > > Bottom line if SMW were to be incorporated into WP then it's a fine idea to > use SMW to hold topic data. If not, I am concerned that platforms without > semantics don't seem sustainable over the long haul. > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic_Maps > [2] http://www.isotopicmaps.org/sam/sam-xtm/ > [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-referenc > > Thank - John > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of >>Yury Katkov >>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:50 PM >>To: [email protected]; Wikimedia developers >>Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Topic Maps >> >> >>Hi John! Could you provide some links on how the Topic Maps are used >>in modern wikis and information systems? >>There is a big family of Semantic Extensions [1] that allow to export >>wikipages to RDF, isn't this enough? >> >>[1] http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:SMW_extensions >>----- >>Yury Katkov >> >> >> >> >>On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:53 AM, John McClure >><[email protected]> wrote: >>> Adding Topic Maps to MW base software could be a winner -- >>it can generate a >>> wiki-site map (some think WP needs one!); it can be used to >>corelate the >>> contents of documents loaded into a wiki (like conference >>proceedings) with >>> a wiki's topic map; and would make a cool tool for any page >>in a wiki, most >>> clearly on a user page. It's perhaps a smart strategic move >>- ISO 82250 >>> Topic Maps are the fruit of SGML/Hytime n-ary models that >>'lost' to RDF >>> triples back when. Being a superset of RDF, TMs can type associations >>> between articles while capturing all infobox data. >>> >>> Topic maps may be a compelling FUNCTIONAL upgrade for MW as >>it captures >>> subjects of an article for the first time. Given topic-map >>to RDF transforms >>> amid continuing W3 research, this could be enough for the >>semantic world. By >>> adopting say the Lib of Congress' Subject Headings, a wiki >>like Wikipedia >>> could play an important role in the semantic web. The >>current situation with >>> Wikipedia is that it's hard to have a large library of >>information without a >>> subject catalogue... right now, wikis have an author >>catalogue sort of, fine >>> for smaller hadcrafted wikis but doesn't scale well for many. >>> >>> Since other platforms now have maturing topic map extensions >>I'm worried the >>> impact on wikis not to have that technology. >>> >>> John McClure >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
