Thanks, the conversation indeed helped me! Cheers, Denny
2012/5/9 Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) <[email protected]> > Hi Denny, > > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Denny Vrandečić > <[email protected]> wrote: > > (Siebrand, I am unsure if this will arrive at mediawiki-i18n, feel free > to > > forward it you consider it interesting to them). > > It does after the list admin approves it, but you may just want to > subscribe[1]. > > > OK, I've written a few lines of Python [1] which actually helped me > answer > > my questions. Sorry to bother. > > > > And the answers are yes, yes, no, but close, and i hope so. > > No problem. We like people answering their own question. More time for > us to do other things :). > > > There are a small number of wikis which use a different language code > than > > their site code is, namely: > > > > crh -> crh-latn > > als -> gsw > > be-x-old -> be-tarask > > roa-rup -> rup > > simple -> en > > There are a few more, actually. See includes/DefaultSettings.php, > $wgDummyLanguageCodes. > > > But, at the same time, the given *site* codes exist as *language* codes > as > > well, i.e. the languages/messages files exist for them, but they just > > fallback to the given language code (i.e. MessagesAls.php just names gsw > as > > a fallback). > > That's an issue with the Wikimedia setup, I guess. If the language > code could be different from the subdomain name, that is what should > be done. It's probably not as simple as it looks. See next item. > > > I would not be surprised if each of these five examples would have an > > anecdote to explain why they are the way they are :) > > That, and a past in which there was less attention for trying to stick > to a particular standard. Doesn't really matter, we're stuck with it > for now, and should try to not make it worse, and fix it on the long > run. For the 5+ years that I'm involved in MediaWiki development, > there have been requests to rename wikis to more appropriate subdomain > names, but for some reason, no progress has been made on it yet. These > 10+ requests are tracked in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19986. > > > P.S.: There is one thing I do not understand though. According > > to https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo the > > language of simple.wp is "en", but MessagesSimple.php seems to be taken > into > > account (instead of "edit" it has "change" in the UI, one of only two > > changes in MessagesSimple to MessagesEn). > > Thanks for mentioning. That shouldn't have been there. Fixed in > https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7035/. > > > So it seems that the language is > > "simple" -- why does it say "en" in the siteinfo? > > Because it *is* English. It just should be English with a reduced > vocabulary. There have been many debates in the past over its > usefulness, and if possibly other languages should also get a simple > vocabulary Wikimedia project (and subdomain). This is just for > reference, please do not comment on this in this thread, but start a > new one if you'd wish to discuss simple language versions. > > Not sure if this made your insight clearer, but at least I hope I was > able to add some details :). > > [1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i18n > > Cheers! > > -- > Siebrand Mazeland > Product Manager Localisation > Wikimedia Foundation > > M: +31 6 50 69 1239 > Skype: siebrand > > Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 2 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
