In my experience, the bots in the channel are an important part of our
workflow -- new bug reports, bug updates, and patches in gerrit. When I'm
discussing things in #wikimedia-dev I usually end up having to manually add
references to something that a bot already sent to #mediawiki, which is one
of the reasons I've always preferred using #mediawiki.

Please don't make yet another split-off channel; that'll be annoying and
make things more complicated for little if any benefit.

-- brion

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:01 AM, btb <[email protected]> wrote:

> hi-
>
> i'm hopeful this is the appropriate venue for this topic - i recently had
> occasion to visit #mediawiki on freenode, looking for help. i found myself
> a bit frustrated by the amount of bot activity there and wondered if there
> might be value in some consideration for this.  it seems to frequently
> drown out/dilute those asking for help, which can be a bit
> discouraging/frustrating.  additionally, from the perspective of those who
> might help [based on my experience in this role in other channels],
> constant activity can sometimes engender disinterest [e.g. the irc client
> shows activity in the channel, but i'm less inclined to look as it's
> probably just a bot].
>
> to offer one possibility - i know there are a number of mediawiki and/or
> wikimedia related channels - might there be one in which bot activity might
> be better suited, in the context of less contention between the two
> audiences [those seeking help vs. those interested in development, etc]?
>  one nomenclature convention that seems to be at least somewhat of a
> defacto standard is #project for general help, and #project-dev[el] for
> development topics.  a few examples of this i've seen are android,
> libreoffice, python, and asterisk.  adding yet another channel to this list
> might not be terribly welcome, but maybe the distinction would be worth the
> addition?
>
> as i'm writing this, i see another thread has begun wrt freenode, and i
> also see a bug filed that relates at least to some degree [
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=35427<https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35427>],
> so i may just be repeating an existing sentiment, but i wanted to at least
> offer a brief perspective.
>
> regards
> -ben
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