On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:26 AM, MZMcBride <[email protected]> wrote: > Guillaume Paumier wrote: >> I was told yesterday that the mailman/pipermail archives were broken, >> in that permalinks were no longer linking to the messages they used to >> link to (therefore not being "permalinks" at all). > > This is pretty devastating. It's difficult to overstate the importance of > Mailman archives in documenting Wikimedia's history (or even history before > Wikimedia was a concept). I've come across links such as the one at > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tim_Starling_Day> that I can't even > find anywhere in the Mailman archives any longer. :-( > > MZMcBride >
Many historical Signpost articles are affected as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=pipermail+wikitech+prefix%3AWikipedia%3AWikipedia+Signpost%2F2 BTW, here's Brion dreaming about a stable archiving system in 2007 ... http://article.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/28993 In the same year, the lead developer of Mailman said that fixing this problem of breaking URLs was "absolutely critical" (http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2007-July/019632.html ) and some ideas were thrown around (http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Stable+URLs ), but apparently this huge data integrity problem still hasn't been solved. -- Tilman Bayer Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
