On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Brion Vibber <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Thomas Dalton <[email protected]>wrote: > >> On Aug 31, 2012 11:52 PM, "Brion Vibber" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > * Definitely don't have "left" "right" or "center" options. >> >> Can you elaborate on that? The positioning of images can make a big >> difference to how a page looks. Do you really think you can automate it in >> a way that makes pages always look good? > > > Looking at say https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco the positioning > of most photos to left or right floats seems fairly random; where both left > and right are used it seems to be a manual hack to keep images from > stacking on top of other images or tables, based on typical screen sizes. > > Would an automatic gallery layout look as good and be as usable? Honestly, > it might; I don't see much that's meaningful about the way these images are > laid out that would be lost by a different layout. > > Would it look the same exactly? No, but who cares? > > Should it lay out in right and left alignment? Maybe not -- maybe it should > use horizontal space and avoid floats? Maybe it should use a dedicated > right-side gutter (left on RTL)? > > Maybe we should at least think about it. > > It's also useful to be able to >> know where an image is going to be displayed so you can say thing like "as >> can be seen in the image to the right". >> > > No space to left or right on mobile; safer not to rely on such positioning > being consistently relatable. > > Consider also a hyperlink instead of a vague direction when referencing > something. :) > > Getting images to work well on phones and tablets probably requires more >> user control, not less. It would be useful to be able to specify whether an >> image is vital to the article and should always be displayed or if it is >> just there to look nice and can be skipped if there isn't much screen >> space. (Sensible defaults are a must, of course.) >> > > Indeed, distinguishing between different types of things can help -- and I > think would help far more than any manual positioning in the majority of > cases that aren't icons or otherwise explicitly inline in text or a table. > > Note that tables, infoboxes, etc have the same issues with positioning, > floating, referencing, and whatnot. And like panoramic images, they > sometimes don't fit on small screens well; that's another thing to think > about. > > -- brion > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Illustrating the problem of manual right/left aligned thumbnails and elements by using slightly different CSS: http://toolserver.org/~magnus/redefined/?page=San%20Francisco Magnus _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
