Thanks a lot for the support! I will go through the page suggested! :)
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 4:00 AM, <[email protected]>wrote: > Send Wikitech-l mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikitech-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. A Newbie! (Hasini Abeywickrama) > 2. Re: A Newbie! (Amir E. Aharoni) > 3. Re: MW 1.20 backwards compatibility in extensions (Krinkle) > 4. Re: Please take this survey about new contributors (bawolff) > 5. Re: Research on newcomer experience - do we want to take > part? (Diederik van Liere) > 6. Re: Please take this survey about new contributors (Quim Gil) > 7. Welcome Juliusz Gonera as Software Developer to the Mobile > Team! (Tomasz Finc) > 8. Re: Wikimedia URL shortener (Mono) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:43:26 +0530 > From: Hasini Abeywickrama <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Wikitech-l] A Newbie! > Message-ID: > < > canyxru8_-vaj9a4wz5ofbnndnqg7zeut_66upkcalqv6+qs...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi all! > > I am a new member to this mailing group & I am interested in taking part in > the Outreach Programme for Women! > > I would like to make my contribution to Wikimedia. I read through the > webpage but I have no clear idea on where do download the code & source > files etc. > > Can someone out there please help? > > Thanks a lot in advance! :) > > Hasi > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:09:19 +0200 > From: "Amir E. Aharoni" <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] A Newbie! > Message-ID: > < > cactna8skujbdzqfcatww9ou1+huaifoffyup0nnm2e4ck7w...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > 2012/11/19 Hasini Abeywickrama <[email protected]>: > > Hi all! > > > > I am a new member to this mailing group & I am interested in taking part > in > > the Outreach Programme for Women! > > > > I would like to make my contribution to Wikimedia. I read through the > > webpage but I have no clear idea on where do download the code & source > > files etc. > > > > Can someone out there please help? > > Hello, and welcome! > > Take a look at the following page: > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker > > -- > Amir Elisha Aharoni ? ?????? ????????? ?????????? > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > ??We're living in pieces, > I want to live in peace.? ? T. Moore? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:15:27 +0100 > From: Krinkle <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MW 1.20 backwards compatibility in > extensions > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Nov 19, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Daniel Kinzler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 19.11.2012 17:08, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: > >> +1. Having a script run that makes pretty arbitrary tags in between > actual > >> releases for extensions that have real releases and associated > >> tags/branches does not seem helpful at all to me. > > > > It is, however, extremely helpful for those extensions that don't have > their own > > release system. > > > > Maybe the script can just skip any extension that has a VERSION or > RELEASE-NOTES > > file. > > > Or we don't run it and just create REL branches when we have to and so > will others. > > Extensions that aren't maintained, aren't maintained. > > As a start, I created a REL1_20 branch for extensions that were bundled > with 1.20.0. > > -- Krinkle > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:52:20 -0400 > From: bawolff <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Please take this survey about new > contributors > Message-ID: > <CA+oo+DUEdk-05yerGUW4T2KAs0fruGC2bFwc6KF4= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Quim Gil <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, if you joined the MediaWiki / Wikimedia tech community in 2010 or > > later please consider taking this survey: > > > > Newcomer experience and contributor behavior in FOSS communities > > https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=65151&lang=en > > > > The survey is open for sporadic contributors or full time Wikimedia > > employees, developers or any other profile. Anybody is welcome to > > leave their feedback as long as you have started contributing to this > > community in the past 3 years. > > > > 11 mature and well established open source projects are taking part in > > this survey: Debian, FreeBSD, GNOME, Gentoo, KDE, Mozilla, NetBSD, > > OpenSUSE, Python, Ubuntu and Wikimedia. Some of them started some days > > ago and have more than hundred responses by now. The data of this > > survey is anonymous and will be released under a ?share-alike? Open > > Data Commons Open Database License (ODbL). > > > > Some background: > > > > From Kevin Carillo, the researcher: > > http://kevincarillo.org/survey-invitation/ > > > > From OpenHatch, a non-profit working on the bridge between free > > software projects and new contributors: > > > https://openhatch.org/blog/2012/a-research-project-to-understand-what-does-it-take-to-retain-newcomers/ > > > > > > PLEA > > If you, like me, became a bit tired of survey requests like this > > please consider filling this one anyway. It focuses in a specific area > > where we don't have much data. As fresh technical contributor > > coordinator at the WMF I'm looking forward to the results of this > > research and the lessons it will bring. > > > > Thank you. :) > > > > -- > > Quim Gil > > Technical Contributor Coordinator > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > Hmm, some of the questions were a little unclear - talking about the > Wikimedia community, but Wikimedia (as a whole) is not a FOSS project. > I became a developer roughly 3 years ago. I've been a member of > Wikimedia land since roughly 2005. Similarly, does being a gsoc > participant count as being paid to work on MediaWiki - after all gsoc > students do get money for doing MediaWiki things, etc. > > -bawolff > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:01:08 -0500 > From: Diederik van Liere <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Research on newcomer experience - do we want > to take part? > Message-ID: > < > cafz+_qmrafsnjdqkntzf7nhpmdv-ahptn_co3dhddezbd7w...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hey Quim > > I also sent you this survey a week ago with the question whether we should > participate :) > D > > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Quim Gil <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi, sorry for cross-replying. > > > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Lydia Pintscher > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Marcin Cieslak <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> Kevin Carillo[1] from University of Wellington is going to research > > >> "Newcomer experience and contributor behavior in FOSS communities[2] > > >> So far Debian, GNOME, Gentoo, KDE, Mozilla, Ubuntu, NetBSD, OpenSUSE > > >> will be taken into account, and FreeBSD recently joined[3] and > > >> there is still some possibility for other large FOSS projects to join. > > >> > > >> I think it could fit nicely into our recent efforts directed > > >> at newcomer experience after Git migration. And MediaWiki is > > >> a bit different than above projects. > > >> > > >> Are we interested > > >> to include MediaWiki in that research? > > >> > > >> As Kevin explains in his post he tried to avoid spamming mailing > > >> lists to look for project interested, so I am doing this for him :-) > > >> > > >> //Saper > > > > > > I've worked with Kevin in preparation for his survey and later > > > promotion from the KDE-side quite a bit. This is not the kind of > > > research project that is of no value to the project taking part. I > > > expect the results to be very useful for KDE (and likely also the > > > other projects taking part). > > > > It turns out that Sumana and me have been in touch with Kevin in the > > past days after Asheesh Laroia proposed directly to include Wikimedia > > in this research. > > > > Said and done, Wikimedia is also included in the survey and you are > > encouraged to invest some minutes in it: > > > > https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=65151 > > > > I will send a proper announcement next Monday, but in the meantime > > here is an illustrative link of links: > > > > http://kevincarillo.org/2012/11/15/survey-update-after-1-week/ > > > > -- > > Quim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:05:17 -0800 > From: Quim Gil <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], Wikimedia developers > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Please take this survey about new > contributors > Message-ID: > <CACxLwR=g3-TMBmqRVF4nYE=+_TaF+oie-vw13qtpe= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:52 PM, bawolff <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hmm, some of the questions were a little unclear - talking about the > > Wikimedia community, but Wikimedia (as a whole) is not a FOSS project. > > Well, yes. We could say that Wikimedia is _also_ a FOSS project, > handling 5,4M lines of code as we speak. > > > I became a developer roughly 3 years ago. I've been a member of > > Wikimedia land since roughly 2005. > > The you are fine since the survey is about the Wikimedia technical > community. > > > Similarly, does being a gsoc > > participant count as being paid to work on MediaWiki - after all gsoc > > students do get money for doing MediaWiki things, etc. > > I wouldn't count a one-off, modest paid contribution like GSoC. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:59:54 -0800 > From: Tomasz Finc <[email protected]> > To: "Staff (All)" <[email protected]>, Wikimedia > developers > <[email protected]> > Subject: [Wikitech-l] Welcome Juliusz Gonera as Software Developer to > the Mobile Team! > Message-ID: > <CAMxhqbeAcnpC16Wz+QzpJsB2D= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I am pleased to announce that Juliusz Gonera joins WMF this week as a > Software Developer (Mobile team) today. > > Juliusz has worked at the University of Virginia, developing software > for a laboratory that studies the macromolecular structure of > proteins. Before that he created a system for sending bulk SMS > messages for a Polish company. Juliusz is a proponent of open source > and agile methodologies and apart from a few projects of his own [1] > he contributes to open source software he uses. He has just moved to > San Francisco and earlier lived in Virginia, Spain and Poland. > > The team would like to welcome him and wish him success. > > [1] - https://github.com/jgonera > > --tomasz > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:29:58 -0700 > From: Mono <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia URL shortener > Message-ID: > < > cad6thruqlqk5un+uhu52fjstfjsusy6tg6vei3dny7flgqf...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I think the wmf.co and related URLs are our best bet. > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Luke Welling <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > There are some practical reasons for providing site specific domain > > shortening beyond owning a cool domain hack. > > > > Discouraging the use of third party shorteners has real value. The > > web getting littered with urls that camouflage their destination, are > > tied to loss making commercial entities of unpredictable lifetime (eg > > tr.im), or tied to very well funded commercial entities that choose a > > ccTLD of unpredictable stability (eg bit.ly) is a bad thing. > > Providing the option of a short url that achieves whatever benefit was > > sought without breaking the way the web is supposed to work is a good > > thing. > > > > Email used to be problematic for url sharing, as line breaks inserted > > at 70 characters would mean the recipient needed to notice that some > > urls had been chopped and reassemble them. This is probably only > > true for mailing lists now, as people who deliberately use a plain > > text only email client in 2012 will experience obtrusive side effects > > from senders only providing an HTML MIME part regularly. URL chopping > > will not be their major annoyance. Mailing lists still routinely > > strip attachments and encodings from mail that they propagate. > > > > Mobile generally and twitter specifically are the most often cited > > justifications now. Aside from the obvious message length limits, > > cutting and pasting long strings can be hard on a small screen so > > people are in the short url habit. > > > > Twitter is an annoying use case, as even if presented with a short url > > it currently replaces it with a potentially longer t.co url. > > > > If all the project does is reduces the use of third party services > > that can permanently or transiently fail, can hide links to malware, > > break search engine rankings and search behaviour, and provide others > > with analytic insight into potentially sensitive user click throughs > > it is a good thing. > > > > Luke Welling > > > > PS my unobtainable cool domain hack of choice would be en.cy (but > > Cyprus don't do top level subdomains and require local presence) > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Neil Harris <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > On 19/11/12 02:09, MZMcBride wrote: > > >> > > >> Tim Starling wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Providing a traditional URL shortener with traditional features would > > >>> be useful, at least for some people, and would eliminate the need to > > >>> use third-party URL shorteners internally, which have a commercial > > >>> focus and unknown lifetime. If there was no integration with MW > > >>> required, it would only take a couple of hours to set up. > > >> > > >> Who's using third-party URL shorteners internally? A lot of services > > would > > >> be useful to at least some people (Wikimedians), but the cost of > setting > > >> up > > >> _and maintaining_ such a service can't be overlooked, in my opinion. > > Yes, > > >> it > > >> would take a few hours to set up a URL shortening service (if that), > but > > >> who's going to be responsible for fixing bugs in it, adding features, > > and > > >> doing general maintenance to the service for the indefinite future? > > There > > >> are already a number of Wikimedia services that struggle for limited > > >> resources. Before we add another, we must answer the maintenance > > question. > > >> > > >> MZMcBride > > >> > > >> > > > > > > If a Wikimedia URL shortening service was to be created, it would make > > sense > > > to, at the very least, (a) make the shortened link to real link > mappings > > > part of the standard Mediwiki XML dumps, so that they can be preserved > > > alongside the content to which they refer, for access by future > > archivists, > > > and (b) participate in initiatives such as the Internet Archive's > > > 301works.org to preserve these links entirely outside the Wikimedia > > > universe. > > > > > > Also, on a separate but related note, has anyone considered creating > DOIs > > > for individual wiki page revisions? > > > > > > -- Neil > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > End of Wikitech-l Digest, Vol 112, Issue 50 > ******************************************* > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
