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On 19 July 2013 19:56, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Wikitech-l mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikitech-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's > fun new landmine for admins (C. Scott Ananian) > 2. Re: Request for Comments: New Search (C. Scott Ananian) > 3. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's > fun new landmine for admins (Ryan Lane) > 4. Re: Git config trick. (Tyler Romeo) > 5. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's > fun new landmine for admins (Jeroen De Dauw) > 6. Re: Git config trick. (Roan Kattouw) > 7. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's > fun new landmine for admins (C. Scott Ananian) > 8. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's > fun new landmine for admins (Tyler Romeo) > 9. Re: Git config trick. (C. Scott Ananian) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:20:28 -0400 > From: "C. Scott Ananian" <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: > MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins > Message-ID: > < > cak5kh3xyp5ry+gsq3la3t1qp7fcpbfpf9ex0yz7z0mdx1p6...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > It might also be worth going a "wikibase" release (on its own schedule or > else scheduled shortly after each MW release), that contains a particular > MW version along with version of the extensions that have been tested to > work with it. This is the usual way in which these sorts of dependency > chains are dealt with outside of WMF. (Ie, when RedHat Fedora is released, > it contains the latest GNOME at that time, which in turn contains a version > of GTK+ and various utilities all tested to work well together). > > For the admin, it should just be a matter of using "wikibase 1.23" or > whatever; they shouldn't have to hunt down individual extensions and figure > out compatible versions for themselves. > --scott > > -- > (http://cscott.net) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:24:52 -0400 > From: "C. Scott Ananian" <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Request for Comments: New Search > Message-ID: > < > cak5kh3xy-d6wvxr1cy5embsavqdvih+jtkfabptu_qna76n...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I wonder if there are queries or use cases we can support that *aren't* > already better handled by google. Granted, users of private wikis can't > simply use the 'site:' trick to reuse Google search results -- but users of > private wikis also probably don't need superduper scalability. > > Trying to brainstorm here, not start a flame war. What sorts of useful > searches could we excel at? (Maybe these are searches/use cases that will > facilitate editor engagement?) > --scott > > -- > (http://cscott.net) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:27:52 -0700 > From: Ryan Lane <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: > MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins > Message-ID: > < > calkgca0c6q8ymzidj5fwhrtgdambvq7tnxp8iarfxktae_b...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:20 AM, C. Scott Ananian > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > It might also be worth going a "wikibase" release (on its own schedule or > > else scheduled shortly after each MW release), that contains a particular > > MW version along with version of the extensions that have been tested to > > work with it. This is the usual way in which these sorts of dependency > > chains are dealt with outside of WMF. (Ie, when RedHat Fedora is > released, > > it contains the latest GNOME at that time, which in turn contains a > version > > of GTK+ and various utilities all tested to work well together). > > > > For the admin, it should just be a matter of using "wikibase 1.23" or > > whatever; they shouldn't have to hunt down individual extensions and > figure > > out compatible versions for themselves. > > > > > What if you want to use wikibase 1.23 and MyAbominationExtension 1.5 that > requires an incompatible version of DataValues and MyAwesomeExtension 1.0 > that requires an incompatible version of ValueView? > > - Ryan > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:44:15 -0400 > From: Tyler Romeo <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Git config trick. > Message-ID: > <CAE0Q5ovgSr9yY8rF_TAjwb_vj7kOr=+- > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > This is one of the most useful things I've ever learned. Thanks! > > *-- * > *Tyler Romeo* > Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 > Major in Computer Science > www.whizkidztech.com | [email protected] > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Ori Livneh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In ~/.gitconfig, add: > > > > [url "ssh:// > [email protected]:29418/mediawiki/extensions/ > > "] > > insteadOf = "ext:" > > > > Now you can: > > > > git clone ext:UploadWizard > > > > ! > > > > --- > > Ori Livneh > > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 20:44:58 +0200 > From: Jeroen De Dauw <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: > MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins > Message-ID: > <CAMhmagCrzt= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hey, > > What if you want to use wikibase 1.23 and MyAbominationExtension 1.5 that > > requires an incompatible version of DataValues and MyAwesomeExtension 1.0 > > that requires an incompatible version of ValueView? > > > > If you have releases of certain software that have requirements that cannot > satisfied together, then you cannot install them together. That is a pretty > inherent property of incompatible software. > > As a user, when I run into such a situation, what I want to know is which > versions of the software I am interested in I can install together. That > is, after being told the latest releases do not work together. Sounds like > we need some kind of package management :) In case of the components > created for Wikidata, we have been supporting Composer for a while now, > which is a great fit to our needs. > > I attempted to install Wikibase the other day and made a fun discovery. > > Installing it properly requires the following (12) extensions: > > > > That is somewhat inaccurate, and is misleading with regard to Wikibase > installation. Nevertheless, the concerns you bring up are certainly > relevant, and currently not really tackled well in the MediaWiki community. > That is to bad, as it encourages people to inappropriately bundle things > and throw re usability out of the window (plus causing a long list of other > problems). > > Cheers > > -- > Jeroen De Dauw > http://www.bn2vs.com > Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 > -- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:46:34 -0700 > From: Roan Kattouw <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Git config trick. > Message-ID: > <CALoQHwFe5HoaEMEzzj2CO6HS0VBwga= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Ori Livneh <[email protected]> wrote: > > In ~/.gitconfig, add: > > > > [url "ssh:// > [email protected]:29418/mediawiki/extensions/"] > > insteadOf = "ext:" > > > > Now you can: > > > > git clone ext:UploadWizard > > > > ! > > > "!" indeed. Sweet trick, dude, thanks! > > Roan > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:46:46 -0400 > From: "C. Scott Ananian" <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: > MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins > Message-ID: > <CAK5kH3yaGphVHi0= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Ryan Lane <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What if you want to use wikibase 1.23 and MyAbominationExtension 1.5 that > > requires an incompatible version of DataValues and MyAwesomeExtension 1.0 > > that requires an incompatible version of ValueView? > > > > You file a bug report against MyAbominationExtension and/or > MyAwesomeExtension, telling them they should update their extensions to be > compatible with the latest wikibase. Or wait for wikibase 1.24, with > updated DataValues and ValueViews. Again, the extension authors are > responsible to keep up-to-date. > > Or the admin can try to upgrade/downgrade individual components themselves, > just like a Fedora developer is free to do so. But if that breaks you get > to keep both pieces. > --scott > -- > (http://cscott.net) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:46:12 -0400 > From: Tyler Romeo <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: > MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins > Message-ID: > <CAE0Q5otydNx92P_-nT07-BtEhx+SAsp_S0Ak= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Man, if only PHP had some sort of dependency management system..... > > *-- * > *Tyler Romeo* > Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 > Major in Computer Science > www.whizkidztech.com | [email protected] > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Jeroen De Dauw <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > What if you want to use wikibase 1.23 and MyAbominationExtension 1.5 that > > > requires an incompatible version of DataValues and MyAwesomeExtension > 1.0 > > > that requires an incompatible version of ValueView? > > > > > > > If you have releases of certain software that have requirements that > cannot > > satisfied together, then you cannot install them together. That is a > pretty > > inherent property of incompatible software. > > > > As a user, when I run into such a situation, what I want to know is which > > versions of the software I am interested in I can install together. That > > is, after being told the latest releases do not work together. Sounds > like > > we need some kind of package management :) In case of the components > > created for Wikidata, we have been supporting Composer for a while now, > > which is a great fit to our needs. > > > > I attempted to install Wikibase the other day and made a fun discovery. > > > Installing it properly requires the following (12) extensions: > > > > > > > That is somewhat inaccurate, and is misleading with regard to Wikibase > > installation. Nevertheless, the concerns you bring up are certainly > > relevant, and currently not really tackled well in the MediaWiki > community. > > That is to bad, as it encourages people to inappropriately bundle things > > and throw re usability out of the window (plus causing a long list of > other > > problems). > > > > Cheers > > > > -- > > Jeroen De Dauw > > http://www.bn2vs.com > > Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:56:16 -0400 > From: "C. Scott Ananian" <[email protected]> > To: Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Git config trick. > Message-ID: > < > cak5kh3wep6erkwumqegstybk9qzy9lox022yy1ht94guzjk...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Tyler Romeo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This is one of the most useful things I've ever learned. Thanks! > > > > It's close, but the '-p' option to just-about-every-git-command still wins > the "most useful" prize. But close! > > I'll suggest a little variant: > > [url "https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/";] > insteadOf="mw:" > > ...lets you do: > $ git clone mw:core > $ git clone mw:extensions/Parsoid > etc > > You should still do 'git review --setup' once you've cloned the extension > or whatever. That will set up the "ssh:// > [email protected]:29418/mediawiki/..." remote for gerrit and > stuff. > --scott > > -- > (http://cscott.net) > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > End of Wikitech-l Digest, Vol 120, Issue 54 > ******************************************* > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
