There was a recent mail saying that Labs is not considered "production" stability. Mainly a disagreement about how many 9s in the 99.99999% that represents.
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Petr Bena <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > can you please explain to me from where is this information: > > "According to the people in charge of labs they dont care about > ensuring stability and that if stuff breaks Oh well well get to it > when we can. They say that tools is not a production service so we > really don't give a <>, if it breaks it breaks" > > If I can speak for myself as a volunteer sysadmin of tool labs, I do > care if tool labs are stable or if they break, it's just that for many > of the outages I just can't do anything but sit and wait for someone > with access to servers which cause troubles (which are typically > outside of tool labs, like nfs storage or mysql replicas) > > I can't speak for others though, but I doubt that anyone who is really > "in charge" told you they don't care about stability. Or at least I > hope so :-) > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM, John <[email protected]> wrote: > > tools.wmflabs.org is supposed to be the replacement for the toolserver > which > > the wmf is basically forcefully shutting down. I started the migration > > several months ago but got fed up with the difficulties and stopped. In > the > > last month I have moved most of my tools to labs, and I have discovered > that > > there are some serious issues that need addressed. > > > > The toolserver was a fairly stable environment. I checked my primary > host I > > connect to and it has been up for 4 months with continuous operations. > > > > tools however is being treated like the red-headed step child. According > to > > the people in charge of labs they dont care about ensuring stability and > > that if stuff breaks Oh well well get to it when we can. They say that > tools > > is not a production service so we really don't give a <>, if it breaks it > > breaks, we will fix it when we can but since its not production its not a > > priority. > > > > One good example of this is that a tool cannot connect to > tools.wmflabs.org > > due to a host configuration issue. This is a known bug, we have a way of > > fixing it, but its still not implemented > > > > Given that tools is replacing the toolserver I would expect at worst > labs is > > just as good, however what I am seeing and hearing is that the wmf is > > throwing away one of their best assets, and driving away a lot of > developers > > due to the management of tools. > > > > I do want to give Coren credit as he is doing what he can to support the > > migration. > > > > My question is why has the wmf decided to degrade the environment where > tool > > developers design and host tools (quite a few of them are long term > stable > > projects)? and what can we do to remedy this? > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Labs-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Labs-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l > -- undefined _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
