Am 07.04.2014 01:20 schrieb "Steven Walling" <[email protected]>: > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski > <[email protected]>wrote: > > 1. I am deeply uncomfortable with the fact that you are choosing un-free > > fonts over free ones. > > 2. I am deeply uncomfortable with the fact that you decided not to respect > > the consensus /not/ to choose non-free fonts -- such as Arial and Helvetica > > -- > > over free fonts; a discussion which I only read, but which, as far as I > > remember, saw participation from yourself, Quim, Greg, and some other > > people. > > > > We've tried the alternative and it's untenable according to the feedback > we're getting. I wish it wasn't. I'd rather put free fonts first in the > stack, if they actually work for users. Twice now we've tried putting > different freely-licensed fonts first. Both times, Windows users who had > them have told us they either merely disliked them or they have caused > unacceptably poor rendering, particularly for those without font smoothing. > There simply is not widely-available font that meets all our needs while > also being freely-licensed. The compromise is either to deliver a > freely-licensed webfont to all users (which we're not going to do right > now, though it's the ideal IMO) or to specify the best fonts users already > have on their system free or not, which accomplish the consistency and > legibility we're looking for. This is just the reality. Whether or not the > CSS/LESS declares them explicitly or not, non-free fonts are what most > users have already and want to use, because they actually work. This is > true whether we set a more specific stack than "sans-serif" or not. > > > > As for your suggestion that I'm only looking to make a fuss, here's some > > basic facts for you to ponder. > > > > A. /I/ pointed it out to Greg and to you on IRC that deploying Typography > > Refresh to all wikis on the same day (March 28) was a bad idea, and that it > > would be better to roll it out with MediaWiki 1.23wmf21, as it would give > > time to inform the community (as well as to push some last-minute fixes). > > > > Delaying release to anticipate bugs that have not yet been reported by > anyone makes no sense. At the time of release there were only four bugs > open related to VectorBeta as an extension, none of which could have told > us about the issue. How could last minute fixes be pushed for a bug no one > had actually reported
Steven, given there was a Font stack which worked fine for years, i am a little puzzled how you can break it and then argue using non free fonts is a solution listening to people on twitter telling you it is broken now. instead of reverting the change, or fix it properly? I mean, windows xp is not new. And turning off clear type is common. I do it first because the Microsoft standard fonts look dizzy with small font sizes on windows7. Rupert _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
