On Monday, August 11, 2014 at 5:18 AM, svetlana wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, at 21:42, Chris Keating wrote:
> > >  
> > > I think the most helpful thing would be to not attempt to start wars, and
> > > particularly not on behalf of anyone or against individuals. We are all on
> > > the same side here: trying to make the projects (and the project
> > > interfaces, as a part of that) better. That includes, for instance, trying
> > > out a new way of viewing photographs.
> > >  
> > > I assume of course and as always that you send your message from a place 
> > > of
> > > also wanting the projects to be better and more usable. But it is hard to
> > > see how anything you suggest above gets us there.
> > >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > I agree with everything Phoebe's said.
>  
>  
>  
> "That includes, for instance, trying out a new way of viewing photographs."
> do you guys "try out" on the whole userbase?
> that's not how people "try" things
> it's not what actually happened wither
>  
> maybe say something more like "hi people, in the background we are writing a 
> lot of wonderful code which will be used for refreshing the entire website in 
> the long term"
>  
> "we're especially looking at how we fail to match project mission - we're 
> people, we are making mistakes!"
>  
> "we're adding edit interface to media viewer ASAP and let everything else 
> burn until we do that"
>  
> etc etc
>  
> and don't shy out, you ARE empowering the community already ;)
>  
> including jquery into list of what gadgets can use is already a huge plus, 
> but i barely know any gadgets which use it
>  
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jackmcbarn/editProtectedHelper uses 
> parsoidObj from i think parsoid itself
> this potential was never exposed to developers, not to mention end users
> this software is very scriptable and flexible
>  
>  

Sorry, are you referring to the potential of that gadget, or Parsoid?

Parsoid exposes a public API at,
http://parsoid-lb.eqiad.wikimedia.org/

which is documented at,
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/API

and the output is specified at,
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/MediaWiki_DOM_spec

A list of known users is available at,
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Users

and more are actively encouraged.

If there’re any misconceptions, let’s clear them up.

  
>  
> the world picture is ugly and awkward and the superprotected scandal is 
> special as 1 staff didnt even know about this decision. need better 
> documenting. delays > mistakes.
>  
> what i get from working with people is that one needs to make small steps, 
> carefully, and take notes; otherwise big steps may be taken in wrong direction
> and document things, go screaming and kicking, I did it! for every step made
> this way people know what is going on
>  
> please keep working on documenting what on earth you're doing exactly, in 
> public
> it should be the base of the entire team
> are you doing planning in your head? design? ;) definitely not
> put it onto a public wiki, collaborate out in the open
>  
> svetlana
>  
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