On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams < [email protected]> wrote:
> Subramanya Sastry schreef op 2015/06/20 om 10:49: > > On 06/20/2015 11:45 AM, Arlo Breault wrote: >> >>> On Friday, June 19, 2015 at 1:38 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: >>> >>>> There may be more - I'm still looking for these. >>>> >>> I was reading the discussion on gradually enabling VE for new accounts >>> [3] and >>> Kww writes there, >>> >>> "Further, we still have issues with stray nowiki tags being scattered >>> across articles. >>> Until those are addressed, the notion that VE doesn't cause extra work >>> for >>> experienced editors is simply a sign that the metrics used to analyze >>> effort were >>> wrong. Jdforrester, can you explain how a study that was intended to >>> measure >>> whether VE caused extra work failed to note that even with the current >>> limited use, >>> it corrupts articles at this kind of volume [4]? Why would we want to >>> encourage >>> such a thing?” >>> >>> Makes me sad. >>> >> >> User:Whatamidoing (WMF) (Sherry Snyder) has noted there that User:Kww >> might have been confused by the fact that the filter includes nowikis >> added by editors during normal wikitext editing ( see >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53421 ). In reality, the number of >> nowikis from VE edits are a minor fraction of the nowiki entries there >> (which I verified a couple days back by clicking through to the diffs in >> the AbuseLog), and the couple of sources of those nowiki insertions >> might have already been fixed as noted earlier in this thread. >> >> All that said, yes, we do want to and will continue fixing any sources >> of nowikis that Parsoid is introducing. >> >> > Last I looked, the edits from Visual Editor were still a trivially small > percentage of edits, much smaller than the "minor fraction" noted here. > Where is the actual percentage tracked these days? > KWW > > Hi Kww. Re: the metrics are at pages such as http://ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/dashboards/enwiki-metrics for Enwiki, and similar for some of the other larger Wikipedias (De, Es, Fr, He, It, Nl, Pl, Pt, Ru, Sv). Re: the various types of nowiki: As far as I know, the quickest way to find out how many nowiki tags are introduced by VE is actually checking the log of recent edits made with VE,[1] and looking for the nowiki tag on it. However, this still doesn’t tell us whether the nowiki tag is the result of a bug, if it’s a relic of a nowiki bug which is actually fixed but still occurring due to cache issues (e.g. phab:T68628), if it was introduced manually by the user either by typing it (ignoring a warning) or by copy/pasting wikitext in VE, or whether it was correctly added [2], etc. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?namespace=&tagfilter=visualeditor&title=Special%3ARecentChanges [2] See e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beauty_and_the_Beast_%28Disney_song%29&curid=3725773&diff=667656867&oldid=667643401 Hope that helps, Quiddity / Nick _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
