On 21 August 2015 at 06:43, Quim Gil <q...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki < > steinsplitter-w...@live.com> wrote: > >> Some thoughts about >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft >> * I can't see community consensus (RFC) for this. >> > > "This page is currently a draft." It is not ready yet for a wide call for > comments. > > I'm not even sure that the RfC process is the right one for this. It is > open for discussion. I just posted > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps > > >> * I see a lot (maybe 70%) staffer edits there. >> > > I also would like to see more edits from volunteers and other affiliations. > Please jump in! Most WMF employees drafting and discussing there are doing > so out of their personal interest, with no WMF directive and most likely on > their own time. I'm basically the only exception.
Speaking as a WMF employee who is involved in the discussion, this is my personal opinion - hence my choice of accounts to comment with. I suspect that WMF employees probably make up a big proportion of the technical community itself (something this proposal will hopefully help change!) and so large amounts of WMF participation is not surprising. > > * It is complicated to understand the policy. >> > > This new draft is based on an existing Contributor Covenant used already by > several free software projects. See > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Rewrite_based_on_Contributor_Covenant.3F > > We keep working on it, and you are welcome to join with ideas and edits. > > > I have the feeling that only a few staffer building this. >> Please don't forget to involve the community! >> > > See above. The base text has been forked from an external effort shared by > many projects. The page is open to edits and comments from anybody. The > initiative has been announced and discussed here and in other channels. > > There is a proposal to offer an email alias to people willing to give > feedback but preferring to do it privately. As you see, we are trying to > get feedback from a wide variety of profiles. What else can we do to get > more people involved? > > > How you like to enforce this policy on irc? >> > > In the most effective way. :) What is your question, exactly? There is a > lengthy discussion at > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#IRC > > > > What is the committee? A WMF super arbcom? >> > > We are discussing the committee right now. It's not a simple question. It > needs to be staffed by people willing to be in that role, it needs to have > community trust, and it needs to be effective. Your ideas are welcome. See > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Membership_of_the_committee_and_ECT.27s_role > > > >> Moor transparency would be great, and to write it in simple english so >> that non native speakers can get involved. >> > > This exercise can be hardly more transparent. The fact that you can find so > many open questions, some areas of dense language, and still not so many > participants as we all would wish is due precisely to the fact that those > interested are working openly in a pure wiki style since edit 1, and in > fact since T87773. > > As a non-native English speaker myself, I'm also interested in making the > text simpler and clearer for everybody. This becomes easier as soon as > paragraphs enter "testing" or "stable". Some areas are still in "unstable" > and even "experimental". :) > > >> >> Best and with concerns, >> > > Please keep converting your concerns into more feedback. Thank you! > > >> > There is some discussion now about how the Code of Conduct Committee >> > should be formed. See: >> > >> > >> > * >> > >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Membership_of_the_committee_and_ECT.27s_role >> > >> > and >> > >> > * >> > >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Another_membership_proposal >> > > -- > Quim Gil > Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
