Oleg -- I interpret that suggestion as "employees of WMF and WMDE have to accept all ongoing abuse they are given without complaint"; that may not be what you intended but that's how I read it, and I'd like to unequivocally *reject that notion*.
WMF and WMDE employees are people performing a job, and deserve a safe work environment. When it's suggested that long-term abusive behavior against employees be tolerated because it's not a big deal or it's just volunteers letting off steam, I have to counter that it *is* a big deal. It promotes burn-out and harms people both personally and professionally. Please don't be part of that cycle of abuse and burn-out, all. It's not cool, it's not productive, it's not funny, and it doesn't help you get what you wanted done. -- brion On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 10:43 AM Saint Johann <[email protected]> wrote: > Sure. > > Wikimedia Foundation employees inherently have more privilege and weight > in MediaWiki developer community than the volunteers do, especially less > participating ones. Power dynamics of the discussion between a volunteer > and an employee (and, sometimes even more generally on Phabricator) are > structured in a way in that more than frequently an end decision will be > taken not by volunteers or all Wikimedia community, but by employees or > people that are more well-versed in MediaWiki development spaces (who > also can happen to be employees). > > Code of conduct is important to be enforced, but, in my opinion, there > should be a difference in how it’s enforced. To volunteers that help the > movement, there should be no unacceptable language, as it is a way (and > a purpose of something like code of conduct) to make MediaWiki > development spaces more welcoming to future volunteers. > > However, employees, while in their capacity, should be (in reasonable > amounts) less guarded against non-constructive criticism, because at > many times all you can provide to someone’s work decisions could only be > non-constructive because you know that no minds and hearts will be > changed by any amount of constructive criticism. I am, of course, not > talking about any kinds of serious stuff (Jimmy Wales language), but > more about ‘WTF language’. > > Oleg > > On 08/08/2018 19:20, Arlo Breault wrote: > > > >> On Aug 8, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Saint Johann <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> especially when said to Wikimedia employees as opposed to volunteers.) > > Can you elaborate on that? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
