STOP SENDING ME EMAILS STOP STOP STOP On 30 Sep 2012 15:59, "Harry Leitner" <[email protected]> wrote:
> STOP > On 30 Sep 2012 15:58, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Send Wikiversity-l mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wikiversity-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Management of this mailing list (Erkan Yilmaz) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:57:55 +0200 >> From: Erkan Yilmaz <[email protected]> >> To: Abd ulRahman Lomax <[email protected]> >> Cc: Mailing list for Wikiversity <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list >> Message-ID: >> <CAD3HTdfuA8-6PY2yfv3KY7HpSyYOX44D-o_so00xi= >> [email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Abd, >> >> since you can not edit: >> I've posted a request in the colloquium: >> >> http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium#WV:_Mailing_list_problem >> >> Erkan >> P.S. God save all people who survive >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> >> > Well, Cormaggio has not edited Wikipedia for more than a year. >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Cormaggio&action=view >> > >> > He has not edited Wikiversity for almost two years. >> > http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cormaggio. >> > >> > Cormaggio has been inactive everywhere in the WMF, at least through this >> > unified log-in. >> > >> > Sebmol is listed as a manager of this list as well. He has not edited >> > Wikiversity since March 2011, when he noted he was inactive and was >> willing >> > to be removed as a bureaucrat. >> > >> http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity:Community_Review/Abd&diff=prev&oldid=715970 >> > Sebmol has been active on de. wikipedia, this year. Not much. >> > >> > It's obvious. We don't have an active list moderator. The complaining >> > account is indeed listed as a member receiving the digest. >> > >> > If we get another echo from Harry, I'm going to take an action that >> might >> > resolve the problem for him. I'm going to request a password restoration >> > message in his name. If he responds to it, as he has to other messages, >> we >> > might be able to fix this for him. Unorthodox, yes, but it will not do >> any >> > actual harm to him, since he wants to be unsubscribed to all WMF lists, >> > apparently. It risks revealing his password. Note that anyone could do >> this >> > for any of us.... that's how the listserve works. I'm not using any >> special >> > privilege. The password is mailed to the subscription address, and if >> the >> > user responds to mails without looking at them, he's in danger anyway. >> > >> > Of course, if he starts paying attention, he can indeed fix this >> himself, >> > the listserv seems to be working normally. >> > >> > I already requested unsubscription in his name. If he follows the >> > instructions in that mail, he'll be unsubscribed and we won't hear from >> him >> > again. >> > >> > Meanwhile, the lack of list administration is a possible problem, this >> > particular manifestation is relatively minor. We are probably losing >> > subscribers over this, but only a list manager can tell, if they can >> access >> > the logs. >> > >> > I'd act to fix this, on-wiki, but ... I 'm still blocked from almost a >> > year ago, the unblock template on my Talk page has no response, in >> spite of >> > some request from the community, ignored. WV is, in many respects, dead. >> > Such community as still exists stopped paying attention to central >> > administrative matters, and so the technocrats rule, but they also lose >> > interest, so in some areas, there is nobody ruling or acting. I >> basically >> > gave up, given lack of purposeful community response supporting what I >> was >> > doing. A majority isn't enough! When there is a lack of consensus on >> > specific actions, admins have free reign, and policy doesn't matter. I >> was >> > blocked for defending long-standing community policy on blocking. I'd >> just >> > been desysopped outside of policy, as an "emergency" on meta. The >> emergency >> > was that I'd acted, according to policy, reversing after discussion >> (once, >> > not wheel-warring) a block of another user made by the 'crat who then >> > requested the desysop, and, when a user changed the policy abusively, I >> > requested custodian attention and was blocked for not other offense than >> > civilly requesting attention. >> > >> > And the block proved that the policy wasn't worth the paper it wasn't >> > written on. The real policy: a 'crat can do whatever he likes, can block >> > anyone he doesn't like. No consequences, and no appeal is of any use. >> And >> > the 'crat doesn't need to be, at all, an active WV user, he can just >> pop in >> > whenever. >> > >> > I don't know where requests to add moderators are handled (meta?). >> > >> > *From:* Erkan Yilmaz <[email protected]> >> > *To:* Abd ulRahman Lomax <[email protected]>; Mailing list for >> > Wikiversity <[email protected]> >> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2012 1:22 PM >> > *Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list >> > >> > Harry had this request/game some time ago, where I tried to help him >> > not sure why he could not succeed >> > >> > afaik: Cormac is mod of the mailing list, he should be able to do >> > something about this >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cormaggio >> > >> > Erkan >> > >> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> > >> > The sequence reveals that no moderator is both monitoring this list and >> > willing to respond to the request, and possibly the listserver is not >> > working properly. >> > >> > Yes, the user should be able to handle his own unsubscription and is >> being >> > obtuse, repeating a message, insistently, to people who can't do >> anything >> > about the situation, and perhaps not following instructions that come >> with >> > every mail, or if he is, he is not requesting help, describing the >> specific >> > problem encountered, he is merely demanding that someone DO SOMETHING TO >> > FIX THIS! >> > >> > A common reason would be that the user no longer has access to an >> account >> > for sending mail, but is still receiving mail to that account. If that >> is >> > the case here, then Harry isn't telling anyone what the account is. The >> > complete headers from a list mail to him would show what's happening. >> > (Below, I figure out that this is not the case here. It's commonly a >> case >> > with open mailing lists, this list is, however, closed.) >> > >> > STOP and all that does absolutely nothing. The instructions below do say >> > how to unsubscribe. One of Harry's mails seems to be a response to a >> mail >> > from [email protected] and it looks like the >> > subject was not created as instructed for unsubscription. >> > >> > If Harry tells us what he has done, and what happened, we will then know >> > more specifically what to do about it. I'm not personally going to file >> a >> > complaint with the overall wikimedia.org listserver administration >> unless >> > I can verify a problem. And they are quite likely, given the massive >> > subscription lists, to ignore complaints written in all caps that don't >> > provide adequate information. >> > >> > To find out if the listserver is operating, I entered a number of >> commands >> > through the web interface, which is *public*. I merely need enter the >> > subscribed email address. The page is at >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> > >> > On that page, in the "Wikiversity-l" subscribers section, after entering >> > my subscribed email address, I pressed the "unsubscribe or edit options" >> > button. >> > >> > I got a member options page acknowledging my email address as a >> > subscriber, and one of the buttons was unsubscribe. I pressed the >> > unsubscribe button, and, after a few minutes' delay, I received a >> > confirmation mail. If I had responded with no changes to that mail, I >> > presume I'd have been unsubscribed. I'd forgotten my password, which is >> not >> > needed for unsubscription, so I then pressed the password reminder >> button >> > and my password was emailed to me. Using the password, I logged in to >> the >> > member options page. There is also an immediate unsubscription option >> there >> > (since they know it's you because you logged in with the password.) >> > >> > So I did the same, using the Harry address from the mails. I then >> pressed >> > an unsubscribe bottom, which, if Harry is a subscriber, would send him a >> > confirmation mail, with instructions that, if followed carefully, will >> > unsubscribe him. On the other hand, I tested this with a ridiculous >> > subscription address. The interface does not reveal if the person is a >> > subscriber or not. >> > >> > If Harry does not receive a mail, he can then strongly infer that he is >> > not, under this email address, subscribed to the list. That, then, means >> > that *nobody* can help him, unless he provides the subscription mailing >> > address. >> > >> > However, it is very likely that Harry is a subscriber, because the list >> > will reject mails from non-subscribers. I just tested that. Harry's >> mails, >> > from his gmail address, are not being held for moderator approval. (If a >> > moderator has set automatic approval, it would go through, but he'd >> also be >> > getting the message held for approval message. I've seen a moderator >> set up >> > automatic bounce approval when the moderation didn't want to surrender >> > control but also didn't have the time to actually manage the list.) >> > >> > Harry, when you are in the middle of an amygdala hijack, you may not be >> > able to respond to instructions clearly. See if you can do whatever you >> > know to do to relax, have some tea or coffee, get to a place of calm, >> and >> > then try unsubscribing, reading everything carefully. You may find that >> > this fixes the interface, in a way that shouting doesn't. >> > >> > The amazing thing here is how long the hijack has lasted. >> > >> > Plus, I'm getting that we don't have a moderator who is regularly >> watching >> > this list and ready to fix problems. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > *From:* Shujen Chang <[email protected]> >> > *To:* Mailing list for Wikiversity <[email protected]> >> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:28 AM >> > *Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4 >> > >> > You can just unsubscribe this mail list, if you do not want to receive >> any >> > letters from the mail list again. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikiversity-l mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Find me at: >> > >> > personal blog http://IaskQuestions.com <http://iaskquestions.com/> >> > gnu/linux user #500092 >> > >> > >> > >> ********************************************************************************************** >> > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. >> > If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in >> > error) >> > please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. >> > Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material >> > in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. >> > >> > Diese eMail enthaelt vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschuetzte >> > Informationen. >> > Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese eMail irrtuemlich >> > erhalten >> > haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie >> diese >> > Mail. >> > Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist >> > nicht >> > gestattet. >> > >> > >> ********************************************************************************************** >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************************************** >> This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. >> If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in >> error) >> please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. >> Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material >> in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. >> >> Diese eMail enthaelt vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschuetzte >> Informationen. >> Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese eMail irrtuemlich >> erhalten >> haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese >> Mail. >> Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist >> nicht >> gestattet. >> >> ********************************************************************************************** >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/attachments/20120930/8f0eb857/attachment.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikiversity-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> >> >> End of Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 10 >> ********************************************* >> >
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