Look you two guys - cut it out. I now recall your battles on wikiversity a few years back. You pissed a lot of people off then, including me, and you are most likely pissing off a lot of people here. In that regard, there is nothing to chose between you. Please just stop. It is not productive.
Bduke On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 01:25:20AM -0500, Jeffrey Peters wrote: > "Cold fusion is a mystery, as to how it works, but we know what it does, > the original discovered effect converts deuterium to helium, the evidence > for this is already overwhelming. I know the experimental evidence, and I > know the scientists who did that published work, and it has some obvious > implications, but .. that's not a "belief." > " > > It always goes back to that. He rants and raves, and always comes back to > his obsession. Abd hates anyone who points out that his obsession is false, > and it is obvious that Abd has an agenda to make money off of his obsession. > > Wonderful guy. > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Abd ulRahman Lomax > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Essentially, if we assume that he is sane, the man lies. > > > > Shortly before he sent this mail, he deleted a comment of mine from his > > talk page, in which I pointed out that what he told another Wikiversity > > user about me. > > https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ottava_Rima&diff=next&oldid=1128082 > > > > In that comment, I pointed to the actual Wikipedia ban discussion, the > > close of which does not mention pushing fringe beliefs. Nor was that > > mentioned in the close of my previous cold fusion topic ban. The cause > > stated there was my request for a removal of a web site that hosts legal > > preprints of cold fusion research papers from the global blacklist. That > > request had began very simply, but when the WP admin who had originally > > requested the blacklisting raised all the old, rejected arguments (he had > > been reprimanded by ArbComm for his admin actions around this), I then > > explained, and that was considered a "wall of text." I was topic banned on > > Wikipedia as a result. And then, because what I'd written was convincing, > > the blacklisting was lifted. > > > > But all the old charges came out in the ban discussion, as if they had all > > been confirmed, they were simply stated as fact, and Wikipedians do not > > research disputes, they simply react. It was claimed that I'd violated an > > ArbComm sanction by socking. No, I was under no ArbComm sanction, the topic > > ban was a "community ban," resulting from that meta action. "Violating an > > ArbComm sanction" was then repeated by many !voting for ban as cause. > > > > Wikipedia does dumb stuff like this all the time! I found that when I took > > the place seriously, I'd quickly become "obsessed." I concluded the place > > was utterly unreliable, not a place to do any serious work with anything > > remotely controversial. > > > > As to "trying to profit" by selling "information packages" to people,. I > > have a COI notice on the Wikiversity Cold fusion resource page. I'm not > > selling information or information packages, I'm selling physical materials > > that can be used to replicate certain interesting experiments, in > > particular one that appears, from peer reviewed journal publications, to > > produce a few neutrons. I've sold one set of materials to a teenager who > > did run the experiment. Great kid. He's in a documentary on cold fusion as > > a result. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2265577/ even mentions him. This > > kid is having serious fun. > > > > Not a great movie, unfortunately. > > > > I do not sell any information or information packages, just a vial of > > heavy water electrolyte with palladium and lithium chloride in it, and a > > plastic cell with gold and platinum wire electrodes, plus some solid state > > nuclear track detectors. > > > > I've invested about $5000 in materials and equipment (to do my own > > experiments at some point), and I've collected about $400 from that sale > > and sales of the radiation detectors. I did not do this to profit. > > > > I don't recruit people on the wiki to cold fusion, rather I recruit people > > interested in cold fusion to study and work on the related Wikiversity > > resource, and that resource is being used to collect materials and study > > the topic. I invite skeptics, *especially*. > > > > I just incorporated Infusion Institute, Inc., in Massachusetts, to > > facilitate replication, under the strictest of protocols designed to > > address all skeptical objections, of work that is already generally > > confirmed and accepted in the peer reviewed literature, for up to twenty > > years. the goal is increased precision. I have an excellent Board of > > Directors, and the support of many scientists. This is real science, and > > we'll be raising some real money, to make happen what should have happened > > twenty years ago: definitive testing instead of argument from theory. > > > > The rejection of cold fusion is what is known to sociologists as a > > "cascade," a phenomenon that has nothing to do with science and everything > > to do with social process. Both U.S. Department of Energy reviews > > recommended further research, and funding under existing programs, which > > never happened through the DoE. The 2004 review came close to concluding > > that evidence for the effect was conclusive. They essentially wanted to see > > more research. > > > > I never challenged the designation of cold fusion on Wikipedia as "fringe > > science," but it did, in fact, pass on to "emerging science" roughly ten > > years ago. > > > > What I did do on Wikipedia was to challenge administrative abuse. And I > > was sustained, my major sin there. That and my habit of detailed > > discussion. Wikipedia's design requires consensus, because that is the only > > objective standard for neutrality, but then the actual community is > > intolerant of what consensus requires: lots of discussion, often > > facilitation is required, because most people don't know how to actually > > resolve disagreements. > > > > My stand on cold fusion is not a "belief." Science is not based on > > belief, but on experimental evidence and the scientific method. > > > > Cold fusion is a mystery, as to how it works, but we know what it does, > > the original discovered effect converts deuterium to helium, the evidence > > for this is already overwhelming. I know the experimental evidence, and I > > know the scientists who did that published work, and it has some obvious > > implications, but .. that's not a "belief." > > > > It's a conclusion from *direct evidence,* widely confirmed, with no > > contrary evidence. And the conclusion could still be wrong. I'd set the > > odds, though, at more than a million to one. > > > > And none of this has to do with what Ottava did here, attempt to drive > > away someone interested in contributing to Wikiversity, because of his > > personal opinions and reactions and beliefs about what is Right. His effect > > on Wikiversity was highly disruptive and destructive. He attempted to have > > every bureaucrat removed, and much, much more. > > > > This is what he's always done: attack anyone who interferes with his > > attempt to rule the wikis, with a farrago of lies. > > > > Ottava Rex, give it up. You lost it. You've long been encouraged to focus > > on your field, complete your doctorate. Did you? > > > > Abd ul-Rahman Lomax (413) 584-3151 business (413) 695-7114 cell > > I'm so excited I can't wait for Now. > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Jeffrey Peters <[email protected]> > > > > *To:* Mailing list for Wikiversity <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:58 PM > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 > > > > Abd, you are one to talk. You were banned from en.wikipedia for pushing > > fringe beliefs on Cold Fusion and it turns out that you are trying to > > profit by selling your "information packages" to people. > > > > Why do you people insist on using Wikiversity to profit? It is not your > > personal play ground to use to recruit people to your outside groups. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikiversity-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiversity-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l -- Brian Salter-Duke [email protected] Active on English Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, and others. 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