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Cary Bass wrote: >> While the English Wiktionary community may or may not be >> satisfied with the logo as-is, in the interest of maintaining a >> visual identity, one logo has to be used across projects, whether >> or not the English Wiktionary wants it or not. I'd like a chance to rephrase this, for poor grammar, as well as unintended harshness. Cary Bass wrote: > Dominic wrote: >> Gerard Meijssen wrote: > >>>> When I read what is proposed, the impression is given that a >>>> process will start with a compulsory outcome. I understand >>>> the rationale for one shared logo and favicon. The problem is >>>> that it is people outside of Wiktionary that want to improve >>>> the Wiktionary "brand" and the last time it was very much >>>> these outsiders that made the selection. >>>> > >> Exactly. Despite the fact that fr.wikt and a few others >> eventually adopted the logo, the logo debacle was not en.wikt's >> making. It wasn't a refusal to accept the the outcome of the >> proposal, it was a reluctance to be dictated to by people who >> weren't a part of the community. I'm afraid this will be >> interpreted the same way, if we're proposing to just slap a >> sitenotice on all the Wiktionaries telling them to discuss a new >> logo. There needs to be community impetus for the change, so that >> the meta discussion evolves out of actual community desire for a >> new logo. We should start at places like en.wikt's >> [[Wiktionary:Beer parlour]], fr.wikt's >> [[Wiktionnaire:Wikidémie]], and es.wikt's [[Wikcionario:Café]], >> not foundation-l. > I have to respectfully disagree that a proposal that will affect > all these projects has to originate in thirty different places. > Since there is no central Wiktionary community, the Meta project, > and Foundation-l as well as Wiktionary-l (which was cross-posted) > is the place to get the discussion going. > > While the English Wiktionary community may or may not be satisfied > with the logo as-is, in the interest of maintaining a visual > identity, one logo has to be used across projects, whether or not > the English Wiktionary wants it or not. The discussion has to get > started, no matter where it is, and meta and the two mailing lists > are, in fact, the appropriate place to start the discussion. I do > expect (and have asked) that links to that discussion are made from > those projects (and in the Central Notice as well) > > I would find it sad if the English Wiktionary were to choose not to > involve itself in a process that will ultimately affect its > appearance; however, I don't anticipate this will actually be the > case. > > Cary _______________________________________________ Wiktionary-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiktionary-l The Wiktionary projects should maintain a unique visual identity. It is of the utmost importance that the identity be unique to Wiktionary, but common among the projects. Also, I want to point out: Guillaume Paumier did a great presentation at Wikimania 2007 on Visual Identity here: <http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proceedings:GP1> The PDF linked has some well-researched information about Visual Identity, and the workshop was extremely interesting. Cary -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJyqXKyQg4JSymDYkRAp3MAJ9ekUGlogUAFiUHZlWumvmRcUdTHgCgzgZL Hs6T96vmUHHRZpHBfEc4jkI= =wXHz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wiktionary-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiktionary-l
