On 19 Sep 2006 at 0:41, Wayne Johnson wrote:

> What does DRM have to do with IRM ?  I don't believe that they use 
> the same technologies.

Well from what I've seen and read, it seems to be the same class of 
technology, some way to restrict what the recipient/end user can do with the 
data and from what little I can surmise, there is some overlap between the 
DRM and IRM technologies.
 
> You just negated c) above with that last line. It does have some 
> external uses but you don't care for the limits that are imposed. The 
> last that I knew all security software has limits & generally the 
> more restrictive that it is the more secure that it is.

True, I wouldn't say it has limits with external users, I'd say it's useless 
with external users unless you have control over the external computers, 
which is generally unlikely even with close business partners. I guess my 
concern is layering on additional technologies, when there are already so 
many useful security technologies in place that can probably be pieced 
together to give the same effect without the drawbacks.
 
> The last I knew just because communication isn't 2 ways is not equal 
> to zero communication otherwise why does anyone create a website? The 
> fact that one can read IRM stuff in IE doesn't mean that the client's 
> client has to buy Office 2k3. I am sorry that you don't care for IE6 
> but maybe you'll like IE 7 more. They could call your client back 
> with their comments & have them make the changes. If there is that 
> much to comment about then maybe a phone call would be req'd anyway. 

Hmm, good points, I'll run that by them, in some cases these are contracts 
and other legal docs, so I suspect a phone call or some other method is 
probably required anyways.  From what little I understand about their 
workflow, it seems some documents are sent internally for electronic 
comments, then sent externally for the same kind of comments before coming 
back to the office for more internal comments and then finally being issued 
in pdf or html format.

As to communications being 1 or 2 way and websites, typically we don't expect 
the same kind of collaboration with web sites as we do with office documents. 
If someone had a way to put those 2 together securely and with regards to 
privacy issues, that'd be really cool.

> If your client has to pass docs back & forth to their clients that 
> much maybe their client ought to get Office 2k3.

They deal with many external organizations running a mix of office versions, 
plus they themselves run a mix of office versions. We just got 20 licences 
for 2003 from Techsoup, however that won't be enough to upgrade the entire 
office :-(, and they are at their MS ordering limit from Techsoup.
 
> I was also going to recommend a SPS [SharePoint Server] be set up for 
> your client to share docs with their clients but I believe that 
> requires Office 2k3 on both ends to a point as well.

Actually it doesn't, however if you want all the colloboration features, you 
get best results with 2003 and IE. You can using firefox and older versions 
of outlook.  It's funny you mention SPSS as I am involved with a SPSS 
deployment for another client. I am setting up the infrastructure so that the 
SPSS team can do their bit. I might ask them about this.
 
> While discussing other apps is allowed I'm not sure there is anything 
> that secure but I hear that Nix & OS10 are so much better than 
> Windows but they are beyond the scope of this list.

I wouldn't say they are necessarily better or more secure, they're just 
different tools for the job. I already use both in my day to day work, Unix 
(BSD) and Linux more so than OSX.

> Sorry I don't have any idea what else to recommend & hopefully other 
> list members will have some better ideas.

Thanks
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