Forthe laptop keystroke that is shift modifier f9. You can hit keyboard help which is modifier numro 1 and play with the key sequences and take note of the ones you are going to use.
Take care. On Jun 8, 2012, at 2:20 AM, David Griffith wrote: > Sorry I thought I was on list. I am simply replying. Not sure what might be > happening. > > Anyway in NVDA you can do a mouse click with numpad / . Right mouse click > with numpad * . > There are laptop key equivalents for these actions as well but I cannot > remember them off hand. If you search in the user guide under either Object > navigation or flat Review you should find it there. > To access the user guide press NVDA N and then go to Help and then user > guide. This opens a normal html document in your web browser which is > searchable using NVDA Control F. > > David Griffith > > David Griffith > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith > Sent: 08 June 2012 10:12 > To: Windows Access; Share Your Enthusiasm! > Subject: Re: NVDA > > Hi David > > First, could we keep this on list so that others can comment? I don't know > whether it's the list configuration or you who is changing the reply > address. But either way, it doesn't matter. :) > > Yes, this is a bit of a problem with NVDA. An example of the issue I'm > talking about here is the "RollBack" interface. RollBack, for those who do > not know, is a system utility which is used to preserve your computer's > integrity. It makes a snapshot of your hard drive, at the sector level, at > either automatic or manual points. Then, if anything goes wrong, you can > simply revert your drive to the state it was in at the point of the last > working snapshot and there you are, a working system again. It's a bit like > system restore, except better. > > Anyway, its interface is partially not accessible via the keyboard. The way > I used it with Window-Eyes was to open the interface, then use WE's search > function to scan the open window for a specific bit of tet which I know > brings up the dialogue I want. Once that text is located I do a left mouse > click and there we are, a nice accessible dialogue. However, unless I've > missed it, there doesn't appear to be a way to search the current window in > NVDA and I haven't found a way to do a left click. Another thing I don't > like about NVDA is the fact that you cannot customise the layout to your > liking. In other words, you either have the desktop or laptop layout and > you're stuck with the key strokes they think you aught to be using. So, for > instance, the NVDA key is either the caps lock or the insert key, and that's > it. On a laptop keyboard, using the caps lock key is a real pain in the > backside at times. Often, however, there is no insert key so you're stuck > with it. > > As far as Jaws is concerned, it appears that you cannot manipulate the mouse > pointer without messing around with "Jaws Cursors". I could be wrong on > that one as I don't use it. But that is my understanding of the situation. > At least with Window-Eyes, you can interact with the mouse pointer without > having to first use what can often be very confusing cursors. So I have to > say I think GW Micro has their philosophy right on that aspect of their > software. > > OK, so if anybody knows of a way of interacting with the mouse pointer in > NVDA, please feel free to correct me. I'm more than happy to be wrong on > this occasion as it means that the software is more powerful than I thought > it was. Also, if somebody knows of a way to search the active window for a > text string, please also feel free to correct me. Again it'd be a very > welcome correction. > > Gordon > > On 8 Jun 2012, at 09:25, "David Griffith" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree it can be a problem. > You can use Flat review which will move to different elements of a window > and allows text to be read out. I do this using the Num Pad command but > there are laptop equivalents. I agree though that In practice I have not > found this as useful as say "jaws cursoring" in reading otherwise > inaccessible windows. It may be that I am not sufficiently expert at using > Flat review and others may be able to come to its defence by showing how it > can be used more effectively. I have read the manual but have not followed a > tutorial on flat review so I may be missing something. I do know that > sometimes I have to switch back to jaws to have a difficult dialogue or > interface read out which flat review has failed to pick up. > > I suspect that this comparative limitation may be a result of the decision > not to use a Video display driver which has of course benefits elsewhere, > especially in allowing the relative ease in creating portable > implementations of NVDA. > > David Griffith > -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 08 June 2012 00:01 > To: David Griffith > Subject: Re: NVDA > > Hello David > > We are seeing several problems with newer applications that use the new > mouse-only interface. Unfortunately, this approach kills NVDA stone dead > because there's no keyboard equivalent. Therefore, it isn't the perfect > solution and I do think that it takes away to some extent the effectiveness > of their approach. > > MSAA is no doubt a clunky and sluggish way to handle what should be a usable > web interface. For the most part we prefer NvDA's approach, definitely. But > it has to be said that the apparent inability to manipulate the mouse > pointer, if I understand you correctly, is a very big let-down. Window-Eyes > and Jaws do allow the manipulation of the mouse pointer via the keyboard > and, therefore, allow greater flexibility with the new interface. I know of > a number of applications which now use that interface, Easy CD-DA Extractor > to name but one. > > Gordon > > > On 7 Jun 2012, at 23:26, "David Griffith" <[email protected]> wrote: > > NVDA uses a different approach to programs like Window Eyes and Jaws and > does not have, as far as I am aware the same model, instead using flat > review. > Nevertheless it has arguably a better way of managing the mouse pointer. > Instead of using a virtual mouse cursor it instead makes it possible to use > a physical mouse or track pad by attempting to read whatever is under the > mouse pointer when you move it. I cannot remember if you have to set this > up in preferences but I think it is the default setting. NVDA will also if > you want provide sound feedback as you move the mouse to allow a sense of > where the mouse is physically located on the screen. Arguably this use of > the real physical mouse rather than the keyboard is more intuitive. I > suppose it might be possible to turn mouse keys on to get a virtual cursor > approach. I have not tried it. > In addition NVDA does not have the equivalent Voiceover type item chooser to > look up and search for screen elements across the whole OS. If NVDA could > develop something like that for windows that really would be a game changer. > There is of course some functionality like this in Web browsers. > In Firefox Web browser, you search for text with NVDA control F. > Also Elements list with NVDA f7 brings up a list of screen elements which > can be navigated to using letter navigation. this is a bit like item > chooser but this is restricted to web pages and does not work across the > whole system like on the Mac. > If you are searching for text within screens generally I am not sure NVDA > has this natively but the free third party Virtualisation add on will > convert all the screen text, including text in menus etc, into text in a > virtual window which can be read, selected and copied. Of course this is > then searchable as text but links buttons within programs and so on will not > work. > > David Griffith > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette > Annabel Smith > Sent: 07 June 2012 22:50 > To: Windows Access; Share Your Enthusiasm! > Subject: Re: NVDA > > Hello Chris > > On 7 Jun 2012, at 20:43, chris hallsworth <[email protected]> > wrote: > > . That's no problem go to the notification area, right click the NVDA icon > to open the NVDA menu, click preferences, and click keyboard. In there turn > on the ability to use caps lock as an NVDA modifier key. If it's any > consolation if you set the keyboard layout to laptop this should happen > automatically. Click ok when done. Next save the configuration with > modifier-ctrl-c. > > OK, we've got that sorted. Now, we are trying to figure out whether there's > any kind of "Find" or "Search" option to search the currently focussed > window for a string of text. We're also trying to figure out how you > manipulate the mouse pointer. > > Gordon did try turning on input help, (NVDA+1), but wasn't able to get info > on that point. The help document is the next port of call I think; if it > works. > > I'm happy to be able to say also that the InfoVox InKey picked up an update > this afternoon from the Acapella Group website and the version of NVDA which > is now installed on our InKey thumb drive supports Braille natively. > > Lynne > > On 07/06/2012 18:32, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> Hi Chris >> >> Herein lies the problem. One of our machines is a NetBook, and it does not > possess an "Insert" key. Unless, of course, there's a function key assigned > to replicate that; such as the FN key plus another key. 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