Hi David Thank you for a frank and unbiassed perspective. How refreshing that is in itself. :)
Gordon On 26 Oct 2012, at 18:05, David Griffith <[email protected]> wrote: In my opinion this is pretty much the case. I have read the manual on object navigation and flat review but to be honest have not found it particularly useful in tackling boxes and screens inaccessible to the keyboard. I think this is a limitation of NVDA not working with a video driver and instead relying on inbuilt operating system features. Although there is a physical mouse echo in NVDA I have not in practice found this as flexible as, in my case, the Jaws cursor. I think it is perfectly possible to use NVDA successfully as a main screen reader but it is necessary, I think, to keep at least a demo copy of a commercial screen reader around for those difficult to access dialogue boxes. On the other hand there are occasions when NVDA outperforms the commercial screenreaders as it has less demanding access and influence on system resources. For example I found the symbian phone PC Suite software will not install with Jaws running, but installs fine with NVDA. Personally I find the Sainsbury's shopping site also works better with NVDA. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: 26 October 2012 14:02 To: Windows Access; Share Your Enthusiasm! Subject: Re: Updating NVDA Hi David Possibly I exaggerated slightly by using the term "Ancient". I'm not entirely sure which version it is, but it came pre-installed on a thumb drive along with the Infovox 3 speech engine and related utilities. So, I think I'd probably best remove it just to be on the safe side. Now, can you answer another NVDA related question? Is it possible to manipulate the mouse pointer with NVDA, in a similar fashion to that of Window-Eyes? Or is it like Jaws used to be whereby everything had to be keyboard compatible or else you're out of luck? Gordon On 26 Oct 2012, at 13:51, David Griffith <[email protected]> wrote: If your version of NVDA is truly ancient I would remove it . Once the more modern version of NVDA is installed there is no longer any need to remove NVDA as it will automate the whole update and upgrade process. However with the older versions it was certainly recommended that you remove NVDA before trying a new one. This was several years back though. David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: 26 October 2012 13:16 To: Windows Access; Share Your Enthusiasm! Subject: Updating NVDA Hi all The version of NVDA on our machine is very old. If I were to install a new version over the top of it, is that likely to create problems? Or else, should I remove the ancient version of NVDA first, then re-install? I'm just wondering whether the newest version would give me better access to OTS DJ, for instance, than Window-Eyes does. 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