if you don't mind me asking how much was the system? also can I get a link for that? Hank
On 6/27/2014 5:56 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
Hi David Thanks indeed for your comment on all browsers. I too will have to play around with them over the coming days. Now, I am about to install the operating system and so on on my brand new Zoomstorm Bare Bones system. I was very pleased to find this machine on Amazon because, unlike a lot of branded machines nowadays, it has excellent I/O functionality. It has 6 USB ports, (USB 3 would be nice, so I must look at an external controller card). It also has DVI so Lynne can use her HD flat panel monitor with it. It has VGA and, most importantly, it also has a parallel port for my old Index Everest-d version 2 embosser. Now, I can do away with adapters and just use it as it was designed to be used. I also get the benefit of Gigabit LAN, (although I need to find a Wi-Fi adapter) and I get a nice machine with a 4.0 GHZ AMD processor, (Quad Core), a 500GB hard drive, (although I’m toying with the idea of installing a second if there’s a cable in there to do that), that would give me a nice 1TB second drive. I already have the drives. Any, I shall play with Jaws on this system, see how we go. Kindest regards <--- Gordon Smith ---> <[email protected]> Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, Plus I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually Impaired & Children’s Learning Difficulties Department at Sunnyside Academy Manor Farm Way Colby Newham Middlesbrough Cleveland TS8 0RJ United Kingdom ============================== Contact Info: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 United Kingdom Geographic: 01133 280547 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Australasia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> Skype: <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> ------------------------------ On 24 Jun 2014, at 17:27, David Griffith <[email protected]> wrote: 1. Jaws 15 and Firefox. Generally I think the experience of a Jaws user on Firefox is good but with the proviso that unfortunately the Web visum plugin has to be disabled for optimal browsing speed. If Web Visum is enabled the Browser takes far too long to load pages. Web Visum can be re-enabled in if you need to use it to solve captures on specific pages. In my experience Firefox has a more consistent record of accessibility than Internet Explorer. For example when the Listening Books Website was updated earlier this year I discovered Jaws was unable to identify the search edit boxes on that site using Internet Explorer 11. However by loading the same page in Firefox jaws was able to identify search edit boxes fine . Jaws 15 and Internet Explorer. The main benefit of the Jaws and IE 11 combination is that it appears to be more stable than the Jaws and IE 10 combination and is less prone to crash. For a long while it was my standard browser setup but after the security scare recently with IE I switched to Firefox and have found no compelling reason to switch back. Although there is not much in it Firefox appears to be marginally more successful at loading pages in a form accessible to Jaws, see above. However over the years I have found that often IE can cope with a page that Firefox cannot render accessibly and vice versa so I think it is important to retain the option of both browsers. 3. Jaws and Chrome. Luckily I just ran a few test and was able not to send you outdated comments. The advantage of using Chrome for a Jaws User are, in my opinion a. Fast Browsing experience 2. No need to cope with the hassle of Adobe Flash install and upgrade. The downside is that a. Parts of the Chrome menu system - history etc. was completely inaccessible to Screen Readers. I need to check this to see it this is still the case. b. Until recently Edit Boxes in Chrome were not reviewable with a screenreader. In other words you got typing echo typing in but you could not review what you had typed by character or word to for example check your spelling. I reported this to Freedom Scientific some months ago and they said it was a known Chrome issue. However having just loaded Chrome I was pleased and surprised to see that the edit boxes are now completely accessible to Jaws so it appears that some work has been done by either Google or Freedom Scientific to improve the performance of Jaws. As I have not used Chrome for a while on Windows I will now have to go away and play with it to see how well it performs now. David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: 24 June 2014 12:27 To: Windows Access; Share Your Enthusiasm! Subject: Google Chrome Versus Mozilla FireFox Versus Internet Explorer 11 hello everybody I have a question for you all, and I’d very much welcome as broad a range of opinion as possible as this will be of great assistance to me here at work in an academic project where I’ve been briefed to produce a report detailing the functionality of these web browsers on the Windows platform (first) and their performance and interaction with as wide a variety of assistive accessibility tools as possible. Actually, I am probably going to need to test others, Opera and any others I can come up with in addition to the first three. Regarding screen-readers, I have direct access to Jaws 15, Window-Eyes 8.4, Supernova 14, Access2Go, (I’m not sure of the latest version build here), and, of course, NVDA 2014.3. I’m going to have to learn Jaws pretty thoroughly and pretty quickly I think. Supernova and Window-Eyes are products with which I am very familiar. Oh yes, and in addition to those we also have to consider Dolphin Guide v9.0. Another factor which I need to consider is the huge variety of websites and the very many differing designs. I have until September to produce this, and I really want it to be a thorough, factual and very detailed document. If anybody has any comment which they’d like to make here, I am very receptive to feedback, and grateful for any tips. But it doesn’t stop there! I also have to include as much detail of each product as possible regarding Braille, and the feasibility and otherwise of using Braille as the sole interface when browsing the Internet. Personally, I think that it’s probably not going to be particularly easy to browse the millions of websites which comprise the Internet using Braille alone. But it’s something I’ve been asked to do. And finally, the hardware aspect of Braille comes into the mix. I have direct access to a number of displays, but, sadly, I do not have access to anything like the Braille Sense or the Braille Edge 40 from Hims. Maybe the RNIB might be willing to help me out there. I can only ask. 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