Forwarding some discussion on general@incubator to the wink-dev list. Do we have consensus or disagreement that more diversity is needed for graduation as a TLP?
It would be useful to hear from more members of the community. --kevan Begin forwarded message: > From: ant elder <ant.el...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Wink status (Was: Shepherds for podling reports) > Date: May 10, 2012 8:37:16 AM EDT > To: gene...@incubator.apache.org > Reply-To: gene...@incubator.apache.org > > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Kevan Miller <kevan.mil...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On May 9, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Luciano Resende wrote: >> >>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitt...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the report, Wink, and for the review, Dave! >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>> From activity it looks like this project should have graduated into a TLP >>>>> a year >>>>> ago. It looks like a mature and well developed project. I don't >>>>> understand why >>>>> they think that they should become a subproject of Geronimo or Tuscany. >>>>> They are a mature and useful tool. It's time for this bird to fly on its >>>>> own >>>>> wings. They are an example of a small, viable community that contributes >>>>> to more than one other community. Podling Namesearch and graduation >>>>> should be next. >>>> >>>> Wink, any thoughts on this? >>>> >>>> BR, >>>> >>>> Jukka Zitting >>>> >>> >>> +1, This is my opinion as well, but we started considering other >>> options mainly because of some feedback we got on the last discussion >>> on the Wink mailing list (see summary on February board report). >>> >>> If the IPMC thinks otherwise and would be ok with the Wink project >>> graduation based on "a small, viable community that contributes to >>> more than one other community" I'm more then happy to continue the >>> Graduation process. >> >> IIRC, there was one email that raised a concern about the diversity of the >> community. I don't think there was any subsequent discussion (for or against >> this concern). >> >> Actually, looks like this was the latest word on the subject: >> >> On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:49 AM, ant elder wrote: >> >>> "...talks had halted as one member has not agreed to proceed with >>> graduation..." thats a little harsh, I just questioned the level of >>> activity and said it would be an easier decision if Wink was more >>> active. >> > > I'll comment as thats an email from me thats been brought up - I made > that comment in relation to a graduation discussion on wink-dev in > January: > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-wink-dev/201201.mbox/%3CCAJO+Ubugk5kvdBq=c7iYKatDo14Ha3AGN=rts70xoxcaebw...@mail.gmail.com%3E > > In the six month period up till then there had been a total of six > commits from two committers: > http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?from=20110713&to=20120113&path=%2Fincubator%2Fwink. > > From my watching of the project over that time there had also been a > number of emails from users, JIRAs, and patches gone ignored. So that > didn't seem to me like enough activity to graduate. Note that I'm not > a mentor of Wink but I watch the poddling as we use it in Tuscany. > > Its four months later now and things have improved a little, looking > at the commit situation since then shows there has been more commits > (34) but still from just two committers and both those work for the > same employer, i don't know if they commit as part of their day job > but AIUI Wink is used in their production apps, so the diversity is > not great. > > The two active committers only became committers after most of the > code was written and the others moved on so probably don't have an in > depth knowledge of the code, they're doing a release now so thats > good, but there isn't new development going on and most changes are > minor tweaks and applying the odd user patch. > > So strictly speaking this doesn't seem to meet the documented > Incubator graduation requirements. I don't really see the problem with > just letting Wink keep incubating till they attract more active > committers, but if theres no appetite for that then I expect a 4 or 5 > person PMC could be got together from all the Incubator PMC members > and mentors subscribed to the dev list which could make a viable TLP > PMC. > > ...ant > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >
