Steve, we've been having an extensive discussion in Online Democracy about uncontrolled intersections in Winona.. Clay and Terri's comments below give some flavor. I'm curious if there's any data on the number of accidents at controlled vs uncontrolled intersections.. and if we know how many of the parties in accidents at uncontrolled intersections are visitors or new comecomers to Winona? thanks - I'd like to post your answer back on online democracy... Randy Schenkat
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Clay Templeton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "online democracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Winona] Tourists driving in Winona - to protect or neglect? X-Priority: 3 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Winona Online Democracy <winona.mnforum.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.mnforum.org/pipermail/winona/> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:28:57 -0600[Winona Online Democracy] This is Terry Hyle's posting... I'll try once more to make the point I wanted to on this thread. The original issue was whether how to make the increased numbers of visitors to Winona during special events safe and positive for all (at least, I assumed that visitors were included in the wishes for safety and positive experiences). Please note that I know the law about yielding to traffic to the right, knew it when I originally posted, and have since seen it discussed exhaustively. What I think we need to consider is the following: 1. Are visitors, including those from out of state, immediately aware of uncontrolled intersections and how to safely navigate streets without controlled intersections? 2. If visitors are unaware or simply unexperienced at driving on streets with uncontrolled intersections, how does this affect the safety of all drivers and pedestrians (including native Winonans)? 3. If there are safety concerns, how does this affect the success of special events and the ability of Winona to continue to attract visitors and dollars to our city? 4. How should we best address any of these concerns? My observations for 1 and 2 above is that visitors (and I would wager a native Winonan or two) do not know or understand the rule about uncontrolled intersections, and that the safety of all, visitor and local alike is affected. Please note that this includes pedestrians and children playing on sidewalks and in yards in quiet residential areas. Terri Hyle >From: "Clay Templeton" >To: "'Winona Online Democracy'" >Subject: Re: [Winona] Tourists driving in Winona - to protect or neglect? >Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:48:31 -0600 > >The people on this group are intelligent, observant, thinking people, and so many of us have learned the traffic rules just by reading these e-mails. Randy & Steve, we may have just saved a life here. ;) But if we were ignorant, so are much of the rest of the population and the tourists. What you don't know can hurt you, and in this case can hurt others. I had been told by more than one Winona native that streets going parallel to the river have the right-of-way, and that's how they drive. Although I know that the driver's test covered meeting someone at a 4-way stop at the same time, I have no memory of it covering rights of way at uncontrolled intersections. Maybe I got that one wrong. > >I appreciated cnelson's comments about the intersections around Watkins. I was in an accident there last year; both of us were on wide, main roads, and on that _gray_ day with the _gray_ streets, neither of us saw the other's _gray_ car until we were already at the intersection going 30 mph. She thought that the other direction had stop signs, and so did I. Maybe we should have been going 15 mph so that we could look for the _gray_ back sides of the stop signs instead. They're pretty hard to see from the back side on most of our winter days. > >To anyone who expects everyone else to be observant about whether or not *you* have a stop sign, I wish those gamblers good luck. It seems like removing that uncertainty on busy streets would be a good thing for most of the population. > >Clay Templeton > >----- Original Message ----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* _______________________________________________ This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona Any problems or suggestions can be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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