[Winona Online Democracy] Randy-there is raw statistical data that shows accident numbers and intersections involved, however, it would take a considerable amount of time to categorize all of that data into controlled vs uncontrolled intersection accidents. I know that a St. Mary's College graduate student did a very comprehensive accident study in the City of LaCrosse using GIS a couple of years ago so it is possible but very manhour intensive-Chief Pomeroy
> -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Schenkat [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:42 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Fwd: Re: [Winona] Tourists driving in Winona - to protect or > neglect? > > [Winona Online Democracy] > > Steve, we've been having an extensive discussion in Online Democracy > about uncontrolled intersections in Winona.. Clay and Terri's > comments below give some flavor. I'm curious if there's any data on > the number of accidents at controlled vs uncontrolled intersections.. > and if we know how many of the parties in accidents at uncontrolled > intersections are visitors or new comecomers to Winona? thanks - > I'd like to post your answer back on online democracy... Randy > Schenkat > > >Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >From: "Clay Templeton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "online democracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [Winona] Tourists driving in Winona - to protect or neglect? > >X-Priority: 3 > >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 > >List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=help> > >List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >List-Subscribe: <http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona>, > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe> > >List-Id: Winona Online Democracy <winona.mnforum.org> > >List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona>, > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe> > >List-Archive: <http://www.mnforum.org/pipermail/winona/> > >Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:28:57 -0600 > > > > > >[Winona Online Democracy] > > > >This is Terry Hyle's posting... > > > > > > I'll try once more to make the point I wanted to on this thread. The > >original issue was whether how to make the increased numbers of visitors > to > >Winona during special events safe and positive for all (at least, I > assumed > >that visitors were included in the wishes for safety and positive > >experiences). Please note that I know the law about yielding to traffic > to > >the right, knew it when I originally posted, and have since seen it > >discussed exhaustively. What I think we need to consider is the > following: > > > > 1. Are visitors, including those from out of state, immediately aware > of > >uncontrolled intersections and how to safely navigate streets without > >controlled intersections? > > > > 2. If visitors are unaware or simply unexperienced at driving on > streets > >with uncontrolled intersections, how does this affect the safety of all > >drivers and pedestrians (including native Winonans)? > > > > 3. If there are safety concerns, how does this affect the success of > >special events and the ability of Winona to continue to attract visitors > and > >dollars to our city? > > > > 4. How should we best address any of these concerns? > > > > My observations for 1 and 2 above is that visitors (and I would wager > a > >native Winonan or two) do not know or understand the rule about > uncontrolled > >intersections, and that the safety of all, visitor and local alike is > >affected. Please note that this includes pedestrians and children > playing > >on sidewalks and in yards in quiet residential areas. > > > > > > > > Terri Hyle > > > > > > >From: "Clay Templeton" > > >To: "'Winona Online Democracy'" > > >Subject: Re: [Winona] Tourists driving in Winona - to protect or > neglect? > > >Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:48:31 -0600 > > > > > >The people on this group are intelligent, observant, thinking people, > and > >so many of us have learned the traffic rules just by reading these > e-mails. > >Randy & Steve, we may have just saved a life here. ;) But if we were > >ignorant, so are much of the rest of the population and the tourists. > What > >you don't know can hurt you, and in this case can hurt others. I had been > >told by more than one Winona native that streets going parallel to the > river > >have the right-of-way, and that's how they drive. Although I know that > the > >driver's test covered meeting someone at a 4-way stop at the same time, I > >have no memory of it covering rights of way at uncontrolled > intersections. > >Maybe I got that one wrong. > > > > > >I appreciated cnelson's comments about the intersections around > Watkins. > >I was in an accident there last year; both of us were on wide, main > roads, > >and on that _gray_ day with the _gray_ streets, neither of us saw the > >other's _gray_ car until we were already at the intersection going 30 > mph. > >She thought that the other direction had stop signs, and so did I. Maybe > we > >should have been going 15 mph so that we could look for the _gray_ back > >sides of the stop signs instead. They're pretty hard to see from the back > >side on most of our winter days. > > > > > >To anyone who expects everyone else to be observant about whether or > not > >*you* have a stop sign, I wish those gamblers good luck. It seems like > >removing that uncertainty on busy streets would be a good thing for most > of > >the population. > > > > > >Clay Templeton > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > >-- > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > > >_______________________________________________ > >This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > >All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > >No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > >To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > >http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > >Any problems or suggestions can be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > Randy Schenkat 1358 Skyline Dr. Winona, Mn 55987 507-452-7168 > _______________________________________________ > This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > Any problems or suggestions can be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. 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