[Winona Online Democracy]

The state gets about $55 per $1,000 0f tax capacity. A $1 million commercial
property will have a tax capacity of $19,250; therefore the state tax would
be about $10,600 on this property. The toal tax (including all taxing
districts inside the city of Winona) will be about $29,000, which means that
the city, county and school have about $18,400 to split. The county will get
the largest share of the local districts (about $1,000 less than the state)
and the school, city and port authority get the rest.

These are current numbers. They will change as the state makes changes to
their funding of local governments.

Regarding Mankato Avenue, zoning does not affect the taxes unless the
property is unimproved (without buildings). Residential properties do not
pay a state tax. So while the market value of properties on Mankato may
increase because of high land sales, no state tax is paid as long as the use
remains residential. The state tax rate is based on all subjected properties
within the state. The state levies a set amount of money and creates the
rate by dividing the amount of dollars levied against the tax capacity of
these properties.

Types of property that pays state property tax include commercial,
industrial and seasonal recreational (cabin) parcels. The cabin properties
are offset somewhat by not having to pay the school operating referendum
market value tax. Commercial and industrial properties pay the referendum
taxes. Building referendum taxes are paid by all property types. The money
collected by the state tax was used to help lower school taxes on other
properties.

Minnesota has the most complicated property tax system in the country. We
always hear that we should simplify the system; however most changes made
make the process more difficult. It costs counties huge dollars to have to
reprogram computers to make these changes. And there are always changes each
year.

Sorry to ramble, but these are the types of issues counties and larger
cities deal with daily. 

Stephen Hacken
Winona County Assessor

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Double [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:42 PM
To: Online Democracy
Subject: FW: [Winona] Think positive the City has made some good moves


[Winona Online Democracy]

Eric, Stephen and others

While the public knows that the sales taxes will roll to the state along
with payroll taxes most would not realize they are also getting a piece of
the Property Taxes on commercial property. How much will the state get if
the city will get about $65,000?  Does the state also get any piece of the
residential Property Taxes as well?  When the residential properties on
Mankato are zoned commercial what does that do to the shift property taxes
the state will receive and is that an offset, piece of or added to existing
taxes?

Paul Double
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PS Now those in government know how those in business feel when we pay to
advertise to make sales, pay to  hire people to sell, provide credit risk to
make the sale, collect the money, pay to fill out the forms and then send 6
1/2 % of what could be added to our bottom line all for the privilege of
being in business in Minnesota.   At least Wisconsin provides some
compensation for the business for doing their collection and paper work and
they pay it out of their 5 1/2%



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Stephen Hacken
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:32 PM

[Winona Online Democracy]

The state is the biggest winner on property tax with the Menard's property.
Under current formulas, the state gets more property tax revenue from a
commercial property than does the city, county or school district. Its
called the state general property tax.

Stephen Hacken
Winona County Assessor

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Sorensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:20 PM
 Subject: RE: [Winona] Think positive the City has made some good moves

Paul:

What is fascinating, however, is the governor now describes the use of that
1/2 cent sales tax as discretionary when calculating his proposed 5% LGA
cuts. That sales tax money was never allowed to be used except to retire the
dredging project debt and, in fact, no longer exists as a funding source for
the city. It is just an example of how the governor and his staff are
distorting the numbers to save any meaningful sharing of the pain by the
"burbs."
My other point would be that the State is the big winner in the Menard's
project, in sales tax, income tax and property tax generation. The City will
receive approximately $60,000 in property taxes, reducing other property
owner taxes: The state will receive $65,000 from Menards alone for every
$1,000,000 in sales taxes, and payroll tax and a portion of the new property
tax.

Eric Sorensen

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Double [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 8:19 AM
To: Online Democracy
Subject: [Winona] Think positive the City has made some good moves





Congratulations are in order for the Winona City Council in their forward
thinking, which may now assist us in weathering state reductions.

The importance of the development of our new east end commercial area from
the seed money they approved and which provided the 1/2 cent Sales Tax
investment from taxpayers into the lake dredging provide some important
resources as other revenues decline.  That investment created 70 + acres of
prime commercial value land worth far more than the original taxpayer
investment possibly as much as $7,000,000 when returned to the city as
parcels are sold and property taxes come in.  In addition, the increased
property values of the real estate on Mankato from Sarnia to Highway 61 as
they are reclassified from residential to commercial and with the new and
much higher market sale values will be reflected in the property taxes they
will pay.   Add to that the new Menards, the employment, sales and property
taxes they will generate and the construction jobs created in the new
construction all along Mankato.

Clearing up the muck was more than luck!

Paul Double

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