[Winona Online Democracy] We did it for TARGET, and look what we did, The State came in and put up not one but Two stoplights and the city gave them some tax incentives too. Bob K ----- Original Message ----- From: "terri hyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:13 AM Subject: Re: FW: [Winona] Wal-Mart
> Why is it a foregone conclusion that WalMart is coming? Why is it a > foregone conclusion that WalMart be given tax concessions? I don't > understand. Is it because they are so enormous and powerful that we don't > dare try to fight them, even if we believe WalMart will harm the quality of > life in Winona? Is it because WalMart has shown itself to be ruthless in > crushing opposition from communities, rival businesses and employees? > > Terri Hyle > > > > > >From: "Robert P Kaldunski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "terri hyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: FW: [Winona] Wal-Mart > >Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:33:17 -0500 > > > >[Winona Online Democracy] > > > >While I don't normally like to throw Cold water on these type ideals, > >Wal-Marts coming is a foregone conclusion that they will get tax > >concessions > >is also foregone, Target and Menards got them, Why should Wal-Mart be any > >different. It's coming and the only way I know of to lose it is not to shop > >there. I've only been in Menards twice since they came to town and bought > >something once. so that is the way. Use it if you need too or not. Bob K > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "terri hyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:52 PM > >Subject: Re: FW: [Winona] Wal-Mart > > > > > > > [Winona Online Democracy] > > > > > > One difference between locally owned businesses and big chains with > > > corporate headquarters in far away places is that local businesses tend > >to > > > use local banks, local accountants, local papers to advertise, etc. Big > > > chains use their own out of town banks, accountants, etc., often use > >their > > > own contractors in building their big boxes. In addition, they are less > > > involved in local charitable giving and have a reputation for > >challenging > > > tax assessment, to minimize their tax bills. > > > > > > As far as I am concerned, Winona has already subsidized the Riverbend > > > project as much as it should, via the additional sales tax generated in > > > Winona and collected by some of the same merchants who stand to lose > >their > > > business if WalMart comes into town. Why should I pay even one more > >cent > >to > > > subsidize an enormous corporation who is too cheap to even provide > > > affordable health insurance to its employees? For years, I have heard > >about > > > the plight of small business owners who struggle to provide health care > >for > > > their employees, or who are unable to do so. I have a great deal of > >sympathy > > > for both small employer and the employees--I have had to go without > > > insurance and also had to pay full coverage for my family myself. I > >know > > > how very difficult that is. However, in the case of large > >corporations > > > such as Wal Mart, no such hardship exists for the corporation. I find > >it > > > inexcusable that taxpayers are expected to subsidize wealthy > >corporations, > > > who shortchange their employees to build their own coffers. As a > >taxpayer, > > > I also get to help pick up the tab for the uninsured and underinsured > > > employees of such corporations when those employees are forced to use > > > subsidized health care or emergency rooms to provide for their needs > > > > > > > > > I have read figures that for every two jobs Wal Mart brings to a > >community, > > > three (higher paying) jobs are lost--not such a nice effect. And how > >much > > > better for the community of those 300 or so jobs were well paying jobs, > >with > > > decent, affordable benefits! More money to circulate in the community, > >less > > > strain on food shelves, county health resources, etc. > > > > > > It's a lot more than breadcrumbs that trickle back to WalMart--it's > >billions > > > of dollars. If that's bread crumbs, we have very different standards of > > > living. > > > > > > > > > Terri Hyle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Paul Double" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "Online Democracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Subject: FW: [Winona] Wal-Mart > > > >Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:37:12 -0500 > > > > > > > >[Winona Online Democracy] > > > > > > > >The Community Profile of Faribault, MN from www.mnpro.com reports > > > >employment of 290 for their Wal-Mart. Even if they were all part time > > > >employees that's a lot of payroll checks circulating in the community > >to > > > >be spent at all the businesses who don't sell the same products. It > > > >seems to me that some economic models have use a ratio of 10 to 1 as to > > > >the rollover effect of payroll into a community by employers. That's > > > >seems to me to be a nice impact to the community. As for profits > > > >staying in the community the percentage of profit for most retailers is > > > >small and I believe in the 3-5 % range so I'll take the payroll, sales > > > >and property taxes plus the portion of corporate income made in > > > >Minnesota and could care less about the bread crumbs that trickle back > > > >to Arkansas or to be reinvested into new stores in more Minnesota > > > >communities. > > > > > > > >Paul Double > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > >Behalf Of terri hyle > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:36 PM > > > > > > > >Meanwhile, the profits will not stay in Winona, and important decisions > > > >that will affect our community for a long time will be made at > >corporate > > > >headquarters in another state. > > > > > > > >I also believe that large corporations who wish to develop land for > > > >their > > > >own profit should so so at their own expense > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > > > >All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > > > >No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > > > >To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > > > >http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > > > >Any problems or suggestions can be directed to > > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact > > > >page at > > > > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > > > All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > > > No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > > > To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > > > http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > > > Any problems or suggestions can be directed to > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact > >page at > > > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > >All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > >No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > >To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > >http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > >Any problems or suggestions can be directed to > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact > >page at > > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > _______________________________________________ This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. 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