[Winona Online Democracy]
> > > > > [Winona Online Democracy] > > > > Keith Nelson asks some very good and fair questions. > > > > I'm going to answer with another set of questions. > > > > 1. Is there a difference between growth and progress? > **absolutely. Growth is just a city getting bigger, progress is when the > growth is done to better the city, not just one individual/group. Face it, > this whole Phillips property development(or any development for that matter) > ends up being about money. money money money. Who is going to make the most > money. I get sick of it. > > > > 2. Are bigger and better the same thing? > **NO. Bigger is just growing larger. Better is when something is done to > improve a situation. In the Wilson situation (annexation) someone has > decided that the city needs to grow out into the country. I completely > disagree. Mr. Phillips should have known when he bought property in the > country that it was in the country, not the city limits. Limits>>now there > is a good word. The City has limits! > > > > 3. Is progress the same thing as growth? > **geez Dwayne you are racking my brain here :) Yes, I think progress and > growth can go together. But each situation is so different. In this > situation with the city wanting to come into the country I do not think it > is the same thing. > > > > 4. Is growth for growth's sake a good thing? > **NO. Growth should be for improvement, just to grow, as the city obviously > wants to do in this annexation is not a good thing at all. > > > > 5. Is this kind of growth sustainable, can we and our kids and > > grandchildren keep on doing things this way? > **I am not sure what you mean by this question. If you are asking if the > city can continue to come out and try and take land in the country from us > and future generations my answer would be no. Absolutely not. If I wanted > to live in town I would. I would hate to think that in 100 years the entire > county is nothing but a subdivision of Winona. how sad. > Linda Fort > > > > Dwayne Voegeli > > > > July 16, 2004 > > > > ----- > > > > > >[Winona Online Democracy] > > > > > >A simple question for an emotional issue: > > > > > >Why do you think it is necessary for the City to show the township a need > > >for annexation? The financial risk of land development is primarily on > > >the landowner. The landowner will have to show the need to their bank. > > >That information is between the bank and the landowner. > > > > > >The financial risk to the City is the cost of bringing water and sewer > > >service to the site. The City Council is answerable to City residents > for > > >that risk. That risk should not be the concern of non residents. > > > > > >Most water and sewer projects are a risk at some level. Proper > > >engineering requires us to oversize for possible growth. Will the > > >predicted growth always happen? Perhaps not, but it is always better > than > > >building a utility system too small and then having to rebuild. In the > > >case of running water and sewer to the Phillips property, preliminary > > >information shows that it may be a very good investment, over some > unknown > > >length of time. Our financial auditors tell the City Council and staff > to > > >look for good investments. We're recommended to spend money on projects > > >that will bring a good return for the residents of the City. Sometimes > > >that return is financial sometimes social. A sales tax to dredge the > lake > > >and create a commercial/industrial area was a good risk that will bring a > > >great financial return to the City and it's residents. > > > > > >The issues in this discussion isn't really "need" but rather "change." > > >Change is always hard, particularly if it is someone else causing it and > > >not yourself. > > > > > >Keith Nelson > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:52 AM > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: [Winona] If I were Queen for the Day > > > > > > > > >[Winona Online Democracy] > > > > > > > > >If I were Queen for the Day and had the ability to set the tone for > annexation > > >issues this is what it would be. > > > > > >1. First, I would ask for the city to produce statistics that support > the need > > >for a Township land to become a city domain. The terms of "need" vs > "desire > > >would be clearly and logically stated. > > > > > >2. Second, when those statistic were gathered, I would bring City, > County and > > >all Townships involved to the table to talk about these. > > > > > >3. I would appoint a fair and honest mediator who has had no prior > biases or > > >involvement in the city or township. This person would have to be > willing to > > >act in the best interest of growth trends and need. > > > > > >4. I would ask that all those coming to the table act civily and put > aside any > > >personal agendas and past issues on this subject. If they are not able > to do > > >this, I would ask them to remove themselves or remove them as this became > > >apparant. I would then appoint this committee or "governing body" to > look at > > >all requests for annextions, now and in the future. This group would > > >consistently work as a "team" to resolve the annexation requests. > > > > > >5. Based on the findings, I would ask that an orderly plan be put in > place for > > >annexation of Townships. This orderly plan would include a guideline > related > > >to no "Balloon and String and Leapfrogging" Orderly annexation rules > would > > >include property needing to be adjacent to city limits. The plan would > also > > >include better guidelines on lot size based on where the development is > going. > > >For example placing 100 foot lots in a rural setting is not in a rural > settings > > >favor but it may be in a differnt location. > > > > > >6. Prior to moving into an other "annexable" area, the latest developed > area > > >would need to have commitments completed such as, curb and gutter, > traffic > > >solutions, and infra-structures that support the completion of that area. > > > > > >7. A request for annexation would go to this "governing" body, which > > >would look > > >at the benefits and need from all sides, which would enable "biased" > decisions > > >to not take place. A request for annexation would be considered from all > > >parties involved and representing all populations. > > > > > >Oh to be Queen for the Day.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > >This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > > >All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > > >No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > > >To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > > >http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > > >Any problems or suggestions can be directed to > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact > page at > > > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > > >_______________________________________________ > > >This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > > >All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > > >No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > > >To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > > >http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > > >Any problems or suggestions can be directed to > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact > page at > > > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > > > > > > > ------------ > > > > Dwayne Voegeli > > > > Winona County Commissioner, District #2 > > > > (507) 453-9012 > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > 359 Pleasant Hill Dr. > > Winona, MN 55987 > > > > ------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > > All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > > No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > > To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > > http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > > Any problems or suggestions can be directed to > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact > page at > > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > _______________________________________________ This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. 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