[Winona Online Democracy]


      1. This could be a serious button to those with testicular cancer or
to my friend that lost one in Vietnam to raise awareness of problems.  Most
things become problems when they effect us personally.  It makes us
interested, it would also be offensive in the aforementioned instances to
treat it as a joke. I am sure there are other instances as well.

       2. Although some people look for issues "Off limits" is also a
personal thing.

       3. I do not think this has a relationship to bodies, more to
emotional issues.  Possibly a much bigger picture that would be beyond my
possible understanding. In fact the domestic violence problems in general
are beyond my understanding. But it would  still be hard to relate this
discussions relevance to that discussion.


Tom Severson

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Subject: [Winona] freedom of speech for males


[Winona Online Democracy]

Terry, you offer a very valid question.

It fast forwards us right into the thick of things.

Free speech, democracy, responsibility, etc. are tricky things with
slippery slopes galore.

Again, not a place for people who want or need simple black and white lines.

Here are some follow up questions to your question:

1.  Do you think there is a legitimate and serious reason for a "Respect My
Testicles" button?  Beyond a low kind of humor, which is found on many
t-shirts today, is there a deeper purpose or real social problem the
message is trying to make people aware of or help solve?  Put another way,
is the button you described simply trying to make people laugh or is it
trying to make people aware of a serious problem?  The button that Carrie
is wearing is not a joke.

2.  Would you admit there is a difference in how our society treats and
views the male and female bodies?  What is considered off limits or
shameful?

3.  Do you see any connection between domestic violence and the silence and
shame that have traditionally surrounded the female body and gender roles?

Dwayne Voegeli

April 24, 2005

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>Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:32:39 -0500
>From: Terry Angst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: online democracy <[email protected]>
>Subject: [Winona] freedom of speech for males

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>[Winona Online Democracy]
>
>Given all the ridicule, violence, and pain inflicted on males on the
>screen and television, (groin kicks) I would not be surprised if some
>Winona High boys decided to wear "Respect My Testicles" buttons. And to
>avoid any confusion with parts of an octopus, perhaps a vague sketch in
>the background.
>
>My guess is that the freedom of expression and speech that has been
>hardily endorsed and defended so far in this thread, would end when it
>became a masculine issue.
>
>
>
>
>Terry Angst

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Dwayne Voegeli

Winona County Commissioner

(507) 453-9012

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

359 Pleasant Hill Dr.
Winona, MN  55987

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