[Winona Online Democracy]
Wonderful points here Janice. Just curious, do you know if this is common
through out the state or even the US?
I personally know several people who own businesses in the city of Winona
and yet live outside the city limits.
You are right, it is very poor public relations to not allow any citizen to
be on a commitee.
Linda Fort
[Winona Online Democracy]
This is a response to the comments and questions made as to why should
anyone
who lives outside the city limits have a say in what goes on in the city.
I would like to site a few reasons I believe it is important to have
"Community"
input. A "City" does not stand without a "Community". What makes up the
City
of Winona is not just the people who have residency in the city of Winona.
Many people who do not have residency in Winona own businesses within the
city,
but they cannot vote on things going on within the City, therefore, the only
input these people would have is being on committees. These property owners
pay taxes, yet I am hearing people say, if you are not a resident, you
should
not have a say. Some business buildings, cost far more than a house. Many
of
my neighbors who do not live in the City own large businesses in the city
and
pay taxes on them.
Many people who do not live in the City, support the City financially
through
organizatins, causes and events. Shakespeare, the new Museum, the
Historical
Society, the library, and other organizations and institutions. Why should
these people be excluded from City committees? A City is not just supported
by
taxes.
Many decisions on growth that affect people who do not live in the City are
currently made by the City with no input. The traffic, the environment, the
ecosystem, the schools, many things affect the entire "Community", it is not
just about who pays city taxes. It is about keeping a community intact and
building on the people resourses, skills and knowledge that is available
"outside the city limits" as well. The City misses a huge opportunity by
not
allowing professionals and citizens outside the limit to serve on
committees.
And lastly, the people of the "Winona Community" pay State and Federal taxes
that suppor the city. Where do you think the nice Federal grants that the
City
recently got came from? From you who live in the City and me who lives
outside
the City. I pay taxes that goes to Winona County and Wilson Township, City
people do not, yet they travel these roads that I am paying for and they are
not. I pay sales tax that supports the city, I pay for the schools in the
City
even though my children go to private schools.
I think it is a poor strategy for a City to exclude people in the Community
in
decision making. It alienates them, it causes frustration, anger and a
breakdown of relationships. It becomes "City" vs everyone else, rather than
Community. Janice Turek
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[Winona Online Democracy]
Mr. Dittman,
I could spend hours and hours explaining my own interpretation of the
numerous aspects of the many deeds to parcels of land that Latsch donated.
Please respect the fact that I do not have those hours due to many other
priorities that are far more interesting and important to me than getting
into petty spitting matches with angry people who have nothing better to
do
than just pick fights. It would be more educational and responsible for
others to take their own time (if they are really interested) to arrive at
their own conclusions concerning what Mr. Latsch's intentions were and who
might still have what legal interests in the parcels.
You referred to Wilson below; You don't seem to think any citizens from
Winona have had any impact on what has happened to the citizens in Wilson,
against their will, over the last two years?
I thought this was a moderated adult forum for civil discussion.
Perhaps
I was mistaken.
Peace and Love to you Dave,
Mike Kirschmann
----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Winona Online Democracy" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Winona] Re: Winona Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11
[Winona Online Democracy]
On Aug 9, 2005, at 22:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Mr. Woodford,
>
> Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed. What has happened to good
> manners in our society? Honey always works better than vinegar.
>
> Mike Kirschmann
Mike, please explain exactly how you consider it polite to refer to
covenants in the land deeds that donated various swaths of land to the
city and then refuse to elaborate on that comment?
I could probably find some time later in the week and copy the relevant
documents from the Recorder's office, spend a few hours reviewing them,
and then construct my own explanation as to the Latsch deeds. Since you
have already reviewed the documents or at least seem to know something
of them, judging by your previous comments, you can do us all a favor
and explain what in the Latsch deeds pertains to the discussion of the
land use.
>> Mr. Kirschmann,
>> I also happen to live "outside the city limits" so why don't you just
>> share your pertinent information regarding his wishes? Please just
>> state
>> what you have to say, if you have personal issues with city boards and
>> committees you should take them up with them. What is it you have to
>> share( yes, please "spoonfeed us" or, stop loading our inboxes with
>> waste).
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> C.E. Woodford
Ditto.
Mike Kirschmann wrote:
>>> Mr. Carlson,
>>> That's a reasonable question to ask. However, since the city passed a
>>> new
>>> resolution last year to intentionally exclude non-city residents from
>>> participating on city boards and committees (except for a few select
>>> individuals), and I live 3 miles outside the city limits, I don't
>>> think
>>> my
>>> input would be considered or valued.
Devils advocate position: Explain why I as a citizen of Winona should
have any input on Goodview, Wilson, or Minneapolis committees? Frankly,
I should not have any say in any committee outside my own jurisdiction
unless I have expert information. I have a hard time seeing exactly
what is wrong with that city resolution.
>>> I'm sure committee members are capable of doing there homework
>>> without
>>> being spoon fed information.
... and why should these committee members go on wild goose chases for
information that may or may not exist?
>>> Perhaps city hall will post them on line?
... or perhaps you can summarize...
>>> You can lead a horse to water....
>>>
>>> Mike Kirschmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apparently, a drought is starting to affect Mike's well, because the
water that he claims to be leading us to does not exist. Instead of
refusing to drink the water, as the horse reference may suggest, we
cannot drink the water because there is no water.
>>>> I wonder if Mike Kirschmann could share with us what the interesting
>>>> covenants are on the Latsch parcels, for those of us not near the
>>>> county recorder's office.
>>>>
>>>> Phil Carlson, Mpls
>>>
>>> To the Bike Trail and Aghaming Park Advocates;
>>>
>>> Has anyone on the Bike Trail Committee or at city hall reviewed the
>>> deeds
>>> of the many parcels donated to the city by Latsch? You will find
>>> some
>>> interesting covenants/restrictions with regard to land use for what
>>> is
>>> now
>>> Aghaming Park. I would highly recommend it. Copies are available at
>>> the
>>> county recorders office.
>>> We should respect the wishes and intentions of Mr. Latsch,
>>> especially
>>> considering his many generous donations to the city.
>>>
>>> Mike Kirschmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/./
David Dittmann
Winona
/./
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