Hi Alberto
I have no issue with moving to Yahoo. I suspect it may be a pointless move, however. Generally speaking (and I make no claim to computer expertise) I have found that suck blocking has little to do with sender and/or recipients of email, but more to do with the host Internet Service Provider (ISP) involved, and the settings of their spam detectors. I abhor spam, but I had mail issues some years ago with my mail being blocked to South Africa (from Australia). The ISP in South Africa had their filter settings ultra tight, and so they would block ALL mail from a specified ISP for 3 - 6 months once a "bad" word triggered their filter. Bad words were anything they thought smacked of spam, such as Viagra, Sale, Join etc. I finally managed a seeming cure (I changed location and Service Provider, so cannot comment on how permanent a cure - but at least 18 months) by getting the ISPs to talk to one another, and establishing what conditions to allow within the filters, so set words that normally triggered a block were allowed if from my ISP. Using several conditions still blocked spam, mostly, but stopped the lock-outs. This took a couple of chase-up emails from me to my ISP at that time, but no other work. The ISPs did all the practicalities and needed comms. If a problem of you being blocked because the entire ISP is bloc ked (not your site - ALL sites hosted by the ISP), then changing to another might not be a long-term solution. Maybe an approach to your host provider might be a better, simpler solution. I hope this has been helpful. I think it was clearly said, but I can be delusional - please feel free to query further if needed. Best regards Barry -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2008 3:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Winrad Digest, Vol 21, Issue 9 Send Winrad mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://winrad.org/mailman/listinfo/winrad_winrad.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Winrad digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Problems with this list (Alberto I2PHD) 2. Re: Problems with this list (k5nwa) 3. Re: Problems with this list (Jeffrey Pawlan) 4. Re: Problems with this list (Frank Kelly) 5. Re: Problems with this list (Alberto I2PHD) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:53:08 +0100 From: Alberto I2PHD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Winrad] Problems with this list To: winrad discussion list <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Since some days there is a constant flow of administrative messages announcing bounces and the consequent unsubscribe from this list of the addresses responsible for the bounces. But checking with the administrative interface, often the unsubscribe has not taken place. Probably somewhere some ISP did put the address of this list in some black lists as spam originator, which obviously is not true. This has already happened in the past, it was fixed not without some efforts by Jeffrey WA6KBL, and it is likely to happen again in the future. I am wondering if it would not be better to move this list to Yahoo. Yahoo is seen by some as the evil, as in the past it was a big generator of spam. But that is a thing of the past. They took some good measures against that, and now, if the list is responsibly administered, one can be sure of receiving absolutely no spam. And I can tell this from the experience I have being the group administrator of three other lists on Yahoo. Besides that, Yahoo offers other possibilities, like optional HTML messages (if you are paranoid and hate HTML, you can always choose to receive plain text messages) where pictures and diagrams can be shown, good archives, a File and Photos sections, etc. About HTML, many think that it is a vehicle of viruses. Well, I am on Internet since more than 15 years, and exchange daily HTML messages with my correspondents, and I still have to catch my first virus... it takes just a bit of caution, a good anti-virus, and mainly to absolutely not use Outlook Express nor Internet Explorer. I am a happy user of Firefox and Thunderbird, and, as said, viruses are not a problem for me. All of the above just to ask your opinion about a move of this list to Yahoo, where I already have a list named Winrad, which was put on hold when moving here, to this Mailman-managed group. If the majority will agree, I suggest that all the subscribers to this list will be moved automatically to the Yahoo list, unless they express a negative will. I have been myself unsubscribed from this list due to bounces, and I am a bit fed up with all its vagaries. I have never had problems with the three Yahoo list which I administer, nor with the other 42 of which I am member. Waiting for your opinions, thanks 73 Alberto I2PHD ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:12:39 -0600 From: k5nwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Winrad] Problems with this list To: winrad discussion list <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:53 AM 1/16/2008, you wrote: >If the majority will agree, I suggest that all the subscribers to >this list will be moved automatically to the Yahoo >list, unless they express a negative will. > >Waiting for your opinions, thanks > >73 Alberto I2PHD I also am a member of several Yahoo list and I have no problems with them. So I'm for whatever will make your job easier. Cecil K5NWA www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com "Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light." ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:18:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffrey Pawlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Winrad] Problems with this list To: winrad discussion list <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have now cleared ALL bounces from every winrad list subscriber. Today is Wednesday, 16 Jan. Let us do a short experiment and let me see how many bounces show up tomorrow. If it is excessive, then I will report to the list and agree to move back to yahoo. 73, Jeffrey Pawlan, WA6KBL owner and administrator of winrad.org and the mail list for winrad ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:19:35 -0800 From: Frank Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Winrad] Problems with this list To: winrad discussion list <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yahoo Yes Frank k5nwa wrote: >At 09:53 AM 1/16/2008, you wrote: > > > >>If the majority will agree, I suggest that all the subscribers to >>this list will be moved automatically to the Yahoo >>list, unless they express a negative will. >> >>Waiting for your opinions, thanks >> >>73 Alberto I2PHD >> >> > >I also am a member of several Yahoo list and I have no problems with >them. So I'm for whatever will make your job easier. > > >Cecil >K5NWA >www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com > >"Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light." > > >_______________________________________________ >Winrad mailing list >[email protected] >http://winrad.org/mailman/listinfo/winrad_winrad.org > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:59:35 +0100 From: Alberto I2PHD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Winrad] Problems with this list To: winrad discussion list <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed As another example of the problems that are presently plaguing this list, I have just received the attached message, which went to me, instead of going to the list proper... 73 Alberto I2PHD ----------------------------- The attached message has been automatically discarded. Subject: Re: [Winrad] Problems with this list From: Ron Skelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:24:13 -0800 To: winrad discussion list <[email protected]> If it's good for you Alberto it's good for all k5nwa wrote: > At 09:53 AM 1/16/2008, you wrote: > > >> If the majority will agree, I suggest that all the subscribers to >> this list will be moved automatically to the Yahoo >> list, unless they express a negative will. >> >> Waiting for your opinions, thanks >> >> 73 Alberto I2PHD >> > > I also am a member of several Yahoo list and I have no problems with > them. So I'm for whatever will make your job easier. > > > Cecil > K5NWA > www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com > > "Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light." ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Winrad mailing list [email protected] http://winrad.org/mailman/listinfo/winrad_winrad.org End of Winrad Digest, Vol 21, Issue 9 ************************************* _______________________________________________ Winrad mailing list [email protected] http://winrad.org/mailman/listinfo/winrad_winrad.org
